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Mumsnet is toxic. AIBU?

117 replies

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 11:11

I’m a long time lurker and this is my first time posting so please be kind 🤨

I like to sit down in the morning with a coffee and have a read through Mumsnet, mainly because it is fascinating, like a parallel universe to real life, BUT…I do find myself horrified, sad, unnerved, shocked, angry etc… at the hatred that this forum creates.
Pretty much anytime someone makes a post asking a question, the majority of comments are negative, some to the point of abusive.
The comments appear to conclude in general (in the posts I’ve read) that:
• If you’re disabled then you’re lazy
• If you have mental health issues you’re likely overreacting, you need serious therapy or your children are suffering because of your MH
• If your OH does one thing wrong then they are lazy feckless idiots
• If your OH shouted at you one time then they are abusive and you should leave
• If your children don’t help around the house they are entitled
• Unless your children can’t dress and feed themselves and take themselves off to school independently by the age of 5 you are a dreadful parent
• If you’re not up, washed and dressed by 7am then you are lazy and not a productive member of society
• If you have anxiety you should just grow some balls
• If you think you might be ill, seriously or not, you need to suck it up and get on with life and stop being ridiculous!

I could go on!

One thing that massively stands out are the huge amount of people who make comments on the basis of the OP’s posts that they have clearly not read correctly. The amount of replies by the OP saying ‘didn’t you read my OP, I never said that’ (or words to that effect) are astounding, not to mention the amount of people that read what they want to read in a post and creates issues that aren’t even there. If someone put ‘my DS accidentally hit me during a tantrum’ some will create the narrative that the DS has anger issues and needs professional help. It’s like some sort of weird version of dyslexia where you read a post and your brain turns it in to something completely different (usually negative) and you run with it and feel the need to chip in.

And let’s not even start of the term ‘drip feed’. Perhaps there should be a stipulation on MN that you must write down all relevant information on your first post or you WILL be accused of drip feeding when you remember said relevant information and post it 🙄

I just don’t understand why, if people are asking a genuine question and would like some helpful advice, many people feel the need to be so negative and abusive. Maybe just don’t comment on the post if you’ve nothing helpful to say. Saying something negative and unhelpful to someone who really just wants a bit of advice can be so upsetting and, I imagine, the OP’s feel worse than they did before they posted.

I’ve come to the conclusion that there must be people out there who get up in the morning, log in to Mumsnet and troll away all day like it’s a sport.
I can guarantee most of the negative comments made would not be said in a face to face conversation.

It makes me sad that there are people out there who genuinely want advice because they literally have no one else to turn to so they go to a MN forum to get ripped apart by judgemental commenters who don’t seem to understand that it’s not appropriate to be a cunt just because you’re sat behind your keyboard. If you have no compassion, empathy or helpful advice relative to the OP, maybe MN is not the place for you 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
pfs · 29/09/2022 11:34

If your OH does one thing wrong then they are lazy feckless idiots
• If your OH shouted at you one time then they are abusive and you should leave

there is huge misandry on mn.

BogRollBOGOF · 29/09/2022 11:34

Broadly the consensus on MN is pretty open minded and supportive. There are some that like to regularly stick the boot in and over time you recognise some names and their M.O. be it supportive or gratuitously contrary.

By its nature there will be a disproportion of the neurodiverse, un-supported, and mental health difficilties compared to the real world because MN along with the internet in general is an access point for people with non-typical needs to congregate. That will skew biases.

Some threads go badly. AIBU isn't the best place for nuturing and a hand hold. Sometimes there are pile-ons, sometimes one poster with a bee in their bonnet. Sometimes OPs have an aggravating style or don't add pertinent information to the OP which doesn't help.

Broadly MN does more good than harm and is one of the less toxic places on the internet for advice/ discussion.

Anomonda · 29/09/2022 11:33

I’ve noticed a difference in responses more recently. I only joined a year ago after a pretty traumatic period in my life and looked to MN to gauge whether my own responses to situations were reasonable or not.
For the most part it has really helped me to realise I’m totally normal (thankfully!) but lately there’s been some quite brutal feedback, frequently to posters who are clearly struggling in some way.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 11:33

so pretty much you have made a TAAT that was deleted as that poster was a troll?

Abaiia · 29/09/2022 11:32

You haven't mentioned the terrible attitude to SAHMs on here. That's what gets to me the most.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 29/09/2022 11:32

Some mahoosive generalisations here. Sometimes there are posts as you describe. Is it the majority? Course not. Are you looking just to cause ishoos, or on the hunt for something else? Hmm

VisitingThem · 29/09/2022 11:30

OP it sounds like you are reading AIBU for the drama, and then getting annoyed by the drama. There is a lot more to Mumsnet than AIBU, that you probably won't bother with if you are just reading for entertainment.

SleeplessInEngland · 29/09/2022 11:30

Toxicity is priced into AIBU. It's a free for all. As it probably should be.

AccountDeactivated · 29/09/2022 11:30

You sat and typed out paragraph after paragraph about why you don’t like a section of a website. 😂 Seems like a good idea for you to browse elsewhere if you find it so upsetting.

CakeMonster1 · 29/09/2022 11:28

Yes I hear you OP

I made a list on AİBU and apparently my thread name didn't match the content of the post (done this to not be outed), people clearly didn't read the post and I felt vilified by a small number of people commenting, the general consensus were so understanding and helpful but the small number of negative comments and insults made me wish I hadn't posted as made me feel so shit tbh.

I do think there are some genuine trolls that try to take advantage of people's posts, they comment nothing remotely like what the OP has explained and then try to turn things around on the OP and sometimes even get personal.

Overall though most of the mumsnetters are absolutely amazing and so helpful

JanieAllen · 29/09/2022 11:28

you need to spend time on twitter.....

AMindNeedsBooks · 29/09/2022 11:28

I remember years ago when I first joined I started a thread asking why people had to be so nasty on here when I thought it was a support forum...I was met with lots of nasty responses!

Really though, it's the same as real life. Some people are lovely and try to help and others are dicks who enjoy putting people down behind their keyboards.

AIBU is the worst of course but I do see lots of support too.

girlmom21 · 29/09/2022 11:27

Sometimes posters don't like to be told they're wrong.
Someone's people are cunts for the sake of it.
Sometimes people are just having a laugh and someone takes offence.

Very often, away from AIBU, people get fantastic support and advice.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2022 11:26

Some of it I agree with.

The thing you’ve missed out is that if you don’t have piles of money in the bank through savings you’re also a feckless idiot.

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 29/09/2022 11:26

Your user name is 'interesting' too...

AllThatHoopla · 29/09/2022 11:25

If you have no compassion, empathy or helpful advice relative to the OP, maybe MN is not the place for you

But based on your own findings, surely these are the exact people who would love MN.

If MN is a terrible place, why are you telling people with no compassion, empathy or helpful advice to stay off it?

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 29/09/2022 11:25

Fullsomefrenchie · 29/09/2022 11:18

Wow;,I can’t get my head round starting a thread to tell the members they are toxic and asking said members to be kind in return.

if you don’t like it just find another forum, you don’t need to tell folks they are toxic before doing so,

^ This

i don't actually disagree with some of your points, but this is not the way to deal with them.

If you don't like MN find another forum. It's not like you're contributing anything (except this bs)

Arou · 29/09/2022 11:25

YANBU.

Corrosive · 29/09/2022 11:24

AIBU has certainly opened my eyes to how unpleasant some people are. I get that AIBU is somewhere where you can give more honest opinions than in real life but I don't get why people have to be so spiteful and sharp. You can disagree with an OP but still be constructive and kind as possible. I also wince at the dogmatic 'you have to do this exact thing' replies. They sound so bossy and patronising.

There are some lovely helpful threads about too.

Fladdermus · 29/09/2022 11:24

So you don't normally contribute to the discussion, preferring to just enjoy the fruits of other peoples' labour, but have now posted just to tell us how horrid we all are? And we're the toxic ones?

CourtneeLuv · 29/09/2022 11:23

Ya most definitely nbu

LuciaPopp · 29/09/2022 11:23

This is mainly AIBU- other areas of the site are much more helpful (although people do occasionally forget they are not on AIBU).

I think some users are just bored and being an arsehole passes the time, plus once a thread has gone against OP there tends to be a pile on- I'd recommend Jon Ronson's book on public shaming for more about that.

I also think that there are some questions which aren't especially suited to a general board like this and especially not to AIBU. Extremely delicate and sensitive subjects, anything which requires substantial specialist knowledge etc. It's obviously very worrying when someone who appears to be vulnerable posts on here for lack of other sources of help and then gets unhelpful and unkind responses.

ImJustNotMeAnymore · 29/09/2022 11:23

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 11:21

Haha, I thought I’d be accused of drip feeding too as soon as I posted it 🤣

I'm glad you laughed, it honestly was a joke. There are some really awful things and behaviours shown in here but there are also some really lovely and helpful ones too.

Sparklybutold · 29/09/2022 11:22

Personally I have found MN hugely helpful. I think a lot of it doesn't on the OPs defensiveness. So someone asks for opinions then shows no attempt to actually reflect and listen to opinions. Of course you'll always have the odd argumentative twerp, but more often than not I find mums et enlightening and helpful.

Thereisnolight · 29/09/2022 11:22

I like the robust responses (provided the poster has read the OP and is being rational).