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Mumsnet is toxic. AIBU?

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Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 11:11

I’m a long time lurker and this is my first time posting so please be kind 🤨

I like to sit down in the morning with a coffee and have a read through Mumsnet, mainly because it is fascinating, like a parallel universe to real life, BUT…I do find myself horrified, sad, unnerved, shocked, angry etc… at the hatred that this forum creates.
Pretty much anytime someone makes a post asking a question, the majority of comments are negative, some to the point of abusive.
The comments appear to conclude in general (in the posts I’ve read) that:
• If you’re disabled then you’re lazy
• If you have mental health issues you’re likely overreacting, you need serious therapy or your children are suffering because of your MH
• If your OH does one thing wrong then they are lazy feckless idiots
• If your OH shouted at you one time then they are abusive and you should leave
• If your children don’t help around the house they are entitled
• Unless your children can’t dress and feed themselves and take themselves off to school independently by the age of 5 you are a dreadful parent
• If you’re not up, washed and dressed by 7am then you are lazy and not a productive member of society
• If you have anxiety you should just grow some balls
• If you think you might be ill, seriously or not, you need to suck it up and get on with life and stop being ridiculous!

I could go on!

One thing that massively stands out are the huge amount of people who make comments on the basis of the OP’s posts that they have clearly not read correctly. The amount of replies by the OP saying ‘didn’t you read my OP, I never said that’ (or words to that effect) are astounding, not to mention the amount of people that read what they want to read in a post and creates issues that aren’t even there. If someone put ‘my DS accidentally hit me during a tantrum’ some will create the narrative that the DS has anger issues and needs professional help. It’s like some sort of weird version of dyslexia where you read a post and your brain turns it in to something completely different (usually negative) and you run with it and feel the need to chip in.

And let’s not even start of the term ‘drip feed’. Perhaps there should be a stipulation on MN that you must write down all relevant information on your first post or you WILL be accused of drip feeding when you remember said relevant information and post it 🙄

I just don’t understand why, if people are asking a genuine question and would like some helpful advice, many people feel the need to be so negative and abusive. Maybe just don’t comment on the post if you’ve nothing helpful to say. Saying something negative and unhelpful to someone who really just wants a bit of advice can be so upsetting and, I imagine, the OP’s feel worse than they did before they posted.

I’ve come to the conclusion that there must be people out there who get up in the morning, log in to Mumsnet and troll away all day like it’s a sport.
I can guarantee most of the negative comments made would not be said in a face to face conversation.

It makes me sad that there are people out there who genuinely want advice because they literally have no one else to turn to so they go to a MN forum to get ripped apart by judgemental commenters who don’t seem to understand that it’s not appropriate to be a cunt just because you’re sat behind your keyboard. If you have no compassion, empathy or helpful advice relative to the OP, maybe MN is not the place for you 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
mamabear715 · 29/09/2022 12:32

@Gigacunt
I do try very hard to be supportive to people on AIBU. If I don't know about the subject, I'll scroll by.
I find if you can get on in the first 3 pages to comment, you're doing ok. After that, it's a dogfight. Avoid at all costs. :-(
I've lost my temper a couple of times when I've been attacked, & a couple of times have been in tears & thought about leaving. But why should I? I enjoy it most of the time.

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:31

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 29/09/2022 11:59

I’m a long time lurker and this is my first time posting

how is 'reading posts' contributing?

You're really not in a place to be throwing 🙄faces about.

I’m so very sorry I didn’t make myself entirely clear. I look at posts I think I can help and I do give advice if I have anything relevant to say.

Is that better?

OP posts:
Minfilia · 29/09/2022 12:28

You’re not wrong.

AIBU is just so… negative

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:28

Choconut · 29/09/2022 11:48

I assume you're reporting the abusive posts you find and are giving kind, helpful advice to the people posting?

Or are you just sitting on a high horse judging that everyone apart from you is a cunt while not feeling the need in any way to help or rectify the problem?

Yes, I absolutely have reported abusive posts 👍🏼

OP posts:
ilovesooty · 29/09/2022 12:28

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 29/09/2022 11:25

^ This

i don't actually disagree with some of your points, but this is not the way to deal with them.

If you don't like MN find another forum. It's not like you're contributing anything (except this bs)

I agree. Also if the OP has been here for a while I'm sure she knows that accusing posters of trolling is unacceptable.

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:27

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 29/09/2022 11:46

What a ludicrous thread. Hmm As other posters have said, mumsnet is not just THIS board (the AIBU one!)

This is exactly they type of comment I mean!

Did you not read my post, almost straight after the original post, where I said I meant the AIBU forum 🙄

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 29/09/2022 12:27

Arnt most people here for the drama, gossip and offering opinions.

girlmom21 · 29/09/2022 12:26

Not sure if we read the same thread. I never read any bragging 🤔

There was lots of 'we have lots of money' ' my kids go on loads of holidays' 'they're happier than all other children'

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:25

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 29/09/2022 11:45

It became obvious, quite quickly, that that thread wasn't genuine.

Perhaps I’m not a hardened Mumsnetter and I’m too naive. I don’t come on here very often and I’m still learning the ‘lingo’. I’ve been quite ill lately and have needed to rest a lot so I’ve been seeing if I can do anything useful while I’m out of action, to help people. I have been through a lot of shit in the last 5 years and I’m a true believer in supporting others in similar situations to myself.

I shall bow down and apologise for not immediately recognising the post as fake 🙄Some of us like to see the best in people and raise them up by being kind, not climb to the top of the tallest building and shit on their heads 😐

OP posts:
pointythings · 29/09/2022 12:24

AIBU gets very robust at times, and it isn't a good place to go for actual help. Add to that how polarised things are politically right now, plus a dash of bot interference and you get a bad mix.

But it really isn't like that everywhere. I'm part of a thread for partners/spouses/children of alcoholics and you couldn't wish for a more supportive bunch of people. There are a lot of other threads and groups like that too.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 29/09/2022 12:22

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 12:18

And if you think it’s a fake post, DON’T READ IT OR COMMENT ON IT

Stop shouting and telling people what to do you loon.

This! ^ What a weird and bizarre thread this is!

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 29/09/2022 12:21

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:18

Not sure if we read the same thread. I never read any bragging 🤔

Funny how you see what you want to see. Wink

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:18

SleeplessInEngland · 29/09/2022 11:41

I read a post this morning, that has now been deleted, about a woman who had ill health and the school had been in touch to say something about it not being acceptable that her kids were 10 minutes late each day.

Maybe you also noticed how she constantly ignored all the reasonable advice and spent 25 pages bragging about being a wealthy hippie who didn't want to play by the rules?

It was a wind-up thread.

Not sure if we read the same thread. I never read any bragging 🤔

OP posts:
ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 12:18

And if you think it’s a fake post, DON’T READ IT OR COMMENT ON IT

Stop shouting and telling people what to do you loon.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 12:17

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:14

So do you have the attitude that everyone’s posts are disingenuous and fake? That’s a bizarre way to look at things. Surely we should take everything at face value and try and be helpful if we can, not comment a load of abusive shit. And if you think it’s a fake post, DON’T READ IT OR COMMENT ON IT 🙄

When you have been here as long as I have trolls and windups are pretty easy to spot tbh.

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:16

Frazzledmummy123 · 29/09/2022 11:41

You forgot that people who don't drive through choice 'are losers at life' and 'not fully functioning people' (these were actual words used on here).

Thankfully not all AIBU posters are like this (or I wouldn't be on it at all), but AIBU is full of snobs who look down at other people and are nasty b**es to people looking for advice. Disagree, of course, tell someone they are being unreasonable, 100% yes as that's what this forum is for, but there are ways of saying things without being rude and horrible about it.

My worst AIBU experience was being told I am ruining my children's lives because I rent 🙄. Then someone else came in to agree with her. I got a full lesson on the toxicity of AIBU that day.

Wow 😮
Your poor children 🙄
I rent and my kids are doing just fine. I’m not going to buy as I can’t afford it. Hopefully, my Dad will pop his clogs soon and I can have his house 🤣🤣🤣
(That is a joke by the way, before I get jumped on for that 🙄)

OP posts:
pfs · 29/09/2022 12:15

The only place of safety from the patriarchy that I’ve found. It’s so refreshing. And it’s wonderful it’s busy 24hrs a day. It’s a lovely community

i hope you and others don't have husbands, brothers or sons.

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:14

ZeroFuchsGiven · 29/09/2022 11:37

So I was correct? Did you honestly believe that poster was genuine? Grin

So do you have the attitude that everyone’s posts are disingenuous and fake? That’s a bizarre way to look at things. Surely we should take everything at face value and try and be helpful if we can, not comment a load of abusive shit. And if you think it’s a fake post, DON’T READ IT OR COMMENT ON IT 🙄

OP posts:
pfs · 29/09/2022 12:14

I have noticed recently many more posters deliberately misinterpreting the OPs post and forcing her to endlessly defend things she did not say - I think these posts should be deleted as they often derail the thread

yes pile ons are pretty common and the ops thread will get pulled apart divorced from the story the op told.

NotAHouse · 29/09/2022 12:14

DashboardConfessional · 29/09/2022 12:10

I have noticed recently many more posters deliberately misinterpreting the OPs post and forcing her to endlessly defend things she did not say - I think these posts should be deleted as they often derail the thread

Yep. Recently someone took their mistaken impression "The OP has no job or income" and ran with it for post after post. OP said she worked part time in the first post.

On the very rare occasion that I post I just ignore those responses. I know they just want to see the OP get riled up defending themselves

NotAHouse · 29/09/2022 12:12

People use AIBU as a venting platform for anything that pisses me off. It's been getting steadily worse over the years.

DashboardConfessional · 29/09/2022 12:10

I have noticed recently many more posters deliberately misinterpreting the OPs post and forcing her to endlessly defend things she did not say - I think these posts should be deleted as they often derail the thread

Yep. Recently someone took their mistaken impression "The OP has no job or income" and ran with it for post after post. OP said she worked part time in the first post.

Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:10

CakeMonster1 · 29/09/2022 11:28

Yes I hear you OP

I made a list on AİBU and apparently my thread name didn't match the content of the post (done this to not be outed), people clearly didn't read the post and I felt vilified by a small number of people commenting, the general consensus were so understanding and helpful but the small number of negative comments and insults made me wish I hadn't posted as made me feel so shit tbh.

I do think there are some genuine trolls that try to take advantage of people's posts, they comment nothing remotely like what the OP has explained and then try to turn things around on the OP and sometimes even get personal.

Overall though most of the mumsnetters are absolutely amazing and so helpful

I’m so sorry you had to experience that but that is exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about! And the whole getting personal thing is absurd.
I guess I just don’t understand why people behave that way as to me, trolling people and making them feel bad is not a sport

OP posts:
Gigacunt · 29/09/2022 12:07

Anomonda · 29/09/2022 11:33

I’ve noticed a difference in responses more recently. I only joined a year ago after a pretty traumatic period in my life and looked to MN to gauge whether my own responses to situations were reasonable or not.
For the most part it has really helped me to realise I’m totally normal (thankfully!) but lately there’s been some quite brutal feedback, frequently to posters who are clearly struggling in some way.

It has got worse lately. Perhaps people got in to trolling during Covid and it’s become a habit for them. Or posting nasty things makes them feel better about their own lives? Who knows 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
Calphurnia88 · 29/09/2022 12:05

YANBU.

I understand that people who post in AIBU are asking for opinions, but I think some people see that as fair game for personal attacks, insults, etc.

It can be really unpleasant, and I expect the majority of people leaving these sorts of comments wouldn't dare say them to the OP in real life.