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To not understand why double barrel surnames are so wrong/bizarre to some people?

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:07

So I recently registered the birth of my first child and gave him a double barelled surname. His name layout is Daniel Eric (My surname) (DHs surname). (None of these are actually my son's name just an example!)

In laws were visiting yesterday and were having a look at his birth certificate and were disappointed to see the surname. We did tell them that my name would be in there but apparently they just assumed it was a middle name 🙄

Cue all the 'concerns' and old fashioned twaddle about "It's just nicer and easier" and "what happens when he marries someone with a double barrel name" blah blah blah.

Am I being silly to have assumed that this crap was dead? Sure people have their own opinions on what they would personally do but to tell other people off about it?

Wanted a rant more than anything tbh but I just find it so bizarre that women wanting to share a surname with the child they carried and birthed is still contentious to some people 🤔

OP posts:
Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 17:47

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:37

So you never read the incredibly sneering and insulting comment I was replying to then? Funny that you choose to attack me for defending myself with honesty instead of the person doing the belittling...

What about my comment screamed 'grandiose' to you? Is being honest about your life something only DB snobs do? 😂

Carson Violet Prententious-Prat
Carson Violet Sky High- Salary
Carson Violet Richer Than You- Richardson
Carson Violet Prodigious- Pregnancy Package.

Not sure which I like more...

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:46

@FlaminNoraPhylis

Ah the classic "I have nothing left to say so time to tell the woman who's not taking my word as gospel to go away and tend to her child". Nice.

My child Is doing beautifully thank you 😊Now where are these 'insights' you speak of?

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LillysMummy34 · 28/09/2022 17:45

Oh god OP you are really not helping yourself here - eeek

LeilaDarling · 28/09/2022 17:44

Hyphenated first names really make me secretly eye roll 🙄, so pretentious and way too an occurrence now.

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:43

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DuesToTheDirt · 28/09/2022 17:42

So many people saying it's pretentious.

Good grief, is it pretentious to want your kids to have your surname included in their surname? I kept my surname when I married, is that pretentious too? I also use my title of 'Dr' (PhD) on forms, so I suppose I am viewed as pretentiousness-central.

As to what my kids will do with their surnames if and when they marry, that's entirely up to them.

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:41

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:32

Can I get an example of when one person on here said something 'insightful?

I'll wait 😂

I have already told you some insights, but you are defensive to them and quite obviously bored.

Instead of looking for outlet for your frustrations - your time would be better spent looking after your baby....

Bye now

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:37

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 17:31

You are the epitome of why double barreled names are pretentious, showy and utterly wannabe grandiose.

I wouldn't expect any less 😂

So you never read the incredibly sneering and insulting comment I was replying to then? Funny that you choose to attack me for defending myself with honesty instead of the person doing the belittling...

What about my comment screamed 'grandiose' to you? Is being honest about your life something only DB snobs do? 😂

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Blahdeebla · 28/09/2022 17:37

MbatataOwl · 28/09/2022 15:28

Double barrelling was a huge step forward for feminism, where previously the surname would automatically default to the man/ father

It's been been tradition in the UK for a baby to take its mother's name. The only reason babies appeared to have their fathers name is because the women changed their names upon marriage to their husbands.

Some PP said this was untrue but it is, My parents weren't married when I was born (late 80s). I had my mum's name until I was married. Having the mums name is the real tradition it was just less common to have unmarried parents as they'd usually have a shotgun wedding.

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 17:37

Jacob Rees-Mogg

Is also the reason I'd never double barrel, the man gives me nightmares and is the holder of a double barrel name 😂

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:32

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 17:31

You are the epitome of why double barreled names are pretentious, showy and utterly wannabe grandiose.

I wouldn't expect any less 😂

This.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:32

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:29

I think some people have offered you some insight. Albeit not what you wanted to hear
Therein lies the problem, it wasn't what you wanted to hear, sadly.

The validation you are seeking? Only you can answer that question in this instance

Personally I am glad you say you are proud, however - you do not display as someone who is sure of their choices, to an outsider. ie seeking validation, being defensive etc.

I am not meaning to attack you BTW, just saying what I see here

Can I get an example of when one person on here said something 'insightful?

I'll wait 😂

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Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 17:31

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 16:55

Well one of the best things about a fantastic career is the brilliant maternity leave benefits and pay, so I am rather enjoying being paid to have a natter on mumsnet with a 4 week old in my arms 😂Cheers!

You are the epitome of why double barreled names are pretentious, showy and utterly wannabe grandiose.

I wouldn't expect any less 😂

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:30

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 17:26

I always think it's interesting when women who clearly haven't kept their own names, double barrelled or any of the other things that get discussed around this topic feel able to come on and assure us that nobody really cares. Especially after a thread in which women who have done these things have shared experiences of people responding to their naming decisions by complaining, deliberately using incorrect names etc. Did you not read any of those posts, or did you just decide they weren't relevant?

I have kept my own name, actually. Yes read them all

Sorry if none of that fits in with your agenda

Yerroblemom1923 · 28/09/2022 17:29

It's naff and pretentious. But people like to think it's forward thinking and "out there".

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:29

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:20

What validation am I seeking? I've made it quite clear that my choice is one that I'm very proud of. ( Hence why I've went through with it)

The only thing I sought from this thread was a bit of a discussion about why people care so much when other people they don't know do it. Unfortunately all I've had are responses that are silly to the point of being wilfully obtuse.🤔

Absolutely fine if DB names aren't for you in your particular situation. But I was hoping for at least a bit of insight as to why it's such a problem when other people do it.

I think some people have offered you some insight. Albeit not what you wanted to hear
Therein lies the problem, it wasn't what you wanted to hear, sadly.

The validation you are seeking? Only you can answer that question in this instance

Personally I am glad you say you are proud, however - you do not display as someone who is sure of their choices, to an outsider. ie seeking validation, being defensive etc.

I am not meaning to attack you BTW, just saying what I see here

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 17:28

I'm not a fan of double barrel surnames personally. I find them clunky, long and a mouthful, which is why I didn't give my child one. I also feel sorry for the kid who has to learn to spell it.

But I don't care what other people call their kids. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Call your kid Bob Bobby-McBob if you want, I don't have to yell it up the stairs each night 😂

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 17:27

ShesThunderstorms · 28/09/2022 17:02

I always find this topic interesting. The majority of adult women having babies now either have their own dads last name or their husbands. Totally acknowledge that isn't the case for everyone but I assume it is for most people.
So I can't really get het up about it being a feminist issue when it's usually two blokes names you're fighting over anyway.

My name is not on loan to me from a man. It's mine.

But let's take your point at face value for a moment. My family name invokes my life's history and those I grew up and shared it with. Yes, there was abuse in that past but that's even more reason for wanting to keep it. It shows what I've striven to overcome, my history, for better or worse, and how I intend to make a better fist of it than the father I happen to have inherited it from. It was also my mother's name and my brother's, and it's a link to the loving family bonds I shared with them.

Say, for the sake of argument, that certain MN posters insist that my name is my father's name (and my brothers') but not mine because I was born with XX chromosomes. Why, then, would I relinquish it in favour of my FiL's name, for that of a family with whom I don't share that same history? Albeit DH's family history is very colourful and fascinating, it still isn't mine.

It's entirely reasonable for a man to want to preserve those links, but not a woman? This argument makes simply no sense.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 17:26

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:19

How is it 'depressing' what other people think? How do you know what people think, did you do a poll? Are you a mind reader?

I really wonder if this stuff actually matters to others as in does it even cross their mind to have an opinion? It is certainly not something that would come up on my radar on teh day to day

Do you normally suffer from poor mental health?

I have suffered Dysthymia all my life and do not understand this comment

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and on this thread as a whole-

I have to agree with what someone said above about people having courage of convictions, if people are so sure they are doing the right thing, they do not need to make a thread on Mums Net, to get validating for their choices - and when others do not agree do the old passive aggressive tone of patronising to death anyone who doesn't agree with what they need validating for

I am pretty sure that no one really cares that much / or minds

I always think it's interesting when women who clearly haven't kept their own names, double barrelled or any of the other things that get discussed around this topic feel able to come on and assure us that nobody really cares. Especially after a thread in which women who have done these things have shared experiences of people responding to their naming decisions by complaining, deliberately using incorrect names etc. Did you not read any of those posts, or did you just decide they weren't relevant?

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:25

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 16:37

Fair enough. I'm sure my DS will cry hard about this as he lives in a large, beautiful home with two parents with high salary careers and enjoys a private education.

Shame that his council estate DB name will blind him to such privileges. 😂

It would have never occurred to me that DB names are pretentious - its a name, so not anyone else's business.

But ongoing braggery, esp the above quoted post - is seeping with it - so to be fair, you are getting the responses that will come from that

It really is not a good personality trait

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:25

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:19

How is it 'depressing' what other people think? How do you know what people think, did you do a poll? Are you a mind reader?

I really wonder if this stuff actually matters to others as in does it even cross their mind to have an opinion? It is certainly not something that would come up on my radar on teh day to day

Do you normally suffer from poor mental health?

I have suffered Dysthymia all my life and do not understand this comment

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and on this thread as a whole-

I have to agree with what someone said above about people having courage of convictions, if people are so sure they are doing the right thing, they do not need to make a thread on Mums Net, to get validating for their choices - and when others do not agree do the old passive aggressive tone of patronising to death anyone who doesn't agree with what they need validating for

I am pretty sure that no one really cares that much / or minds

...This post was a lot 😂

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:20

What validation am I seeking? I've made it quite clear that my choice is one that I'm very proud of. ( Hence why I've went through with it)

The only thing I sought from this thread was a bit of a discussion about why people care so much when other people they don't know do it. Unfortunately all I've had are responses that are silly to the point of being wilfully obtuse.🤔

Absolutely fine if DB names aren't for you in your particular situation. But I was hoping for at least a bit of insight as to why it's such a problem when other people do it.

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FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:19

EL8888 · 28/09/2022 17:13

Well, exactly! I’m pregnant and getting married shortly. It’s depressing how many people assume lm taking my fiancé’s name and so is our child. We are going double barrelled. I’m the one who had had a world of IVF, been pregnant (it hasn’t especially agreed me so far!) and then will be giving birth. I don’t care if people thinks it’s stupid or an annoying fad

How is it 'depressing' what other people think? How do you know what people think, did you do a poll? Are you a mind reader?

I really wonder if this stuff actually matters to others as in does it even cross their mind to have an opinion? It is certainly not something that would come up on my radar on teh day to day

Do you normally suffer from poor mental health?

I have suffered Dysthymia all my life and do not understand this comment

-------
and on this thread as a whole-

I have to agree with what someone said above about people having courage of convictions, if people are so sure they are doing the right thing, they do not need to make a thread on Mums Net, to get validating for their choices - and when others do not agree do the old passive aggressive tone of patronising to death anyone who doesn't agree with what they need validating for

I am pretty sure that no one really cares that much / or minds

G5000 · 28/09/2022 17:19

The majority of adult women having babies now either have their own dads last name or their husbands.

You mean either their own dad's or their FIL's according to that logic. My name is mine just as much as DH's is his.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 17:16

MadDogg2020 · 28/09/2022 16:32

Just sounds very Council Estate, bruv

Quelle horreur!