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To not understand why double barrel surnames are so wrong/bizarre to some people?

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:07

So I recently registered the birth of my first child and gave him a double barelled surname. His name layout is Daniel Eric (My surname) (DHs surname). (None of these are actually my son's name just an example!)

In laws were visiting yesterday and were having a look at his birth certificate and were disappointed to see the surname. We did tell them that my name would be in there but apparently they just assumed it was a middle name 🙄

Cue all the 'concerns' and old fashioned twaddle about "It's just nicer and easier" and "what happens when he marries someone with a double barrel name" blah blah blah.

Am I being silly to have assumed that this crap was dead? Sure people have their own opinions on what they would personally do but to tell other people off about it?

Wanted a rant more than anything tbh but I just find it so bizarre that women wanting to share a surname with the child they carried and birthed is still contentious to some people 🤔

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Cuppasoupmonster · 28/09/2022 18:52

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 16:37

Fair enough. I'm sure my DS will cry hard about this as he lives in a large, beautiful home with two parents with high salary careers and enjoys a private education.

Shame that his council estate DB name will blind him to such privileges. 😂

So you started off making out this was a feminist issue, but now I think it’s clear it’s a class one - you’re annoyed some people don’t see your kid’s DB name as some marker of high status, but as more of an aspirational lower MC one.

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:44

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:33

The fact that all your posts are being deleted by mnhq and mine are not should tell you something, should it not? And you still haven't shown me this evidence of me doing such a thing yet you've made several nasty, personal attacks against me and my literal 4 week old.

Take your vitriol elsewhere and get some much needed help. 💐

I never mentioned your 4 week old! 😂

Flangelasashes Cantafford Thebillsthismonth
Flangelasashes Ontothe Lasttinofbeans
Flangelasashes Hadtosellthebaby Topayformefags

There you go. Putting people down who have no money or who cannot afford to put food on the table while you bleat on about how well off you are.

The post you reported where I called you a wannabe posh bird was deleted.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:33

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:28

I take HUGE issue with people looking down on the poor of society. Takes a certain breed to do that.

The fact that all your posts are being deleted by mnhq and mine are not should tell you something, should it not? And you still haven't shown me this evidence of me doing such a thing yet you've made several nasty, personal attacks against me and my literal 4 week old.

Take your vitriol elsewhere and get some much needed help. 💐

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 18:33

You've had it, OP, if not in the way those posters intended. Mercifully there are no laws here to say we can't call ourselves and our children what we like, but when a woman makes a different decision to that expected, sometimes other women take it as a personal affront.

Oh yes, it's an insight alright. As these threads usually are.

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:28

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:25

Are you usually this quickly angered?

Again, where exactly did I do all of this apart from the one comment that was in response to someone who actually was doing what you're accusing me of?

I think this is either projecting or just taking out your personal troubles on me. Either way I hope things get better for you.

I take HUGE issue with people looking down on the poor of society. Takes a certain breed to do that.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:28

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 18:25

I'm not. It's a common response that when women stand aside from convention, even in as minor a sense as this, other women can get very testy about it and will immediately try to put them back into their box. In this spirit OP wrote: Absolutely fine if DB names aren't for you in your particular situation. But I was hoping for at least a bit of insight as to why it's such a problem when other people do it.

You've had it, OP, if not in the way those posters intended. Mercifully there are no laws here to say we can't call ourselves and our children what we like, but when a woman makes a different decision to that expected, sometimes other women take it as a personal affront.

I personally couldn't give a shiny shit what other women call themselves and their kids. But I am pig-sick of being informed I have no ownership over my name, nor autonomy over my identity, or that a child should have its father's name, or DC and I 'rechristened' with the imaginary moniker someone else thinks we ought to be called.

As to the 'nobody cares' point, people clearly do. They're invested. And I don't blame them. Then things really do get personal, especially toward the ones who don't bow to convention (cf. the selection of catty, spiteful DB 'creations' above).

Pathetic.

All of this. You said perfectly what I've been trying to. Funny thing is, if it wasn't for MN I'd have no idea just how vitriolic people are about DB names....

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:25

Are you usually this quickly angered?

Again, where exactly did I do all of this apart from the one comment that was in response to someone who actually was doing what you're accusing me of?

I think this is either projecting or just taking out your personal troubles on me. Either way I hope things get better for you.

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CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 18:25

DuesToTheDirt · 28/09/2022 17:54

Oh I never introduce myself as Dr Dirt, it's just for forms. But then I wouldn't introduce myself as Ms Dirt either, just as Dues Dirt.

I read an American novel recently, in which the protagonists talked to and about each other as 'Dr X', 'Dr Y'. I thought, do people really do that? No-one I know does.

Don't worry I wasn't "having a go" it just sprung into my mind that episode of friends that's all.

I think go for it use the Dr title, you've earned it ☺️

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 18:25

drunkinthebackofthecar · 28/09/2022 18:05

I’m so surprised at the vitriol from people who haven’t double barrelled their names…. so strange to have such an angry reaction? I’m baffled.

I'm not. It's a common response that when women stand aside from convention, even in as minor a sense as this, other women can get very testy about it and will immediately try to put them back into their box. In this spirit OP wrote: Absolutely fine if DB names aren't for you in your particular situation. But I was hoping for at least a bit of insight as to why it's such a problem when other people do it.

You've had it, OP, if not in the way those posters intended. Mercifully there are no laws here to say we can't call ourselves and our children what we like, but when a woman makes a different decision to that expected, sometimes other women take it as a personal affront.

I personally couldn't give a shiny shit what other women call themselves and their kids. But I am pig-sick of being informed I have no ownership over my name, nor autonomy over my identity, or that a child should have its father's name, or DC and I 'rechristened' with the imaginary moniker someone else thinks we ought to be called.

As to the 'nobody cares' point, people clearly do. They're invested. And I don't blame them. Then things really do get personal, especially toward the ones who don't bow to convention (cf. the selection of catty, spiteful DB 'creations' above).

Pathetic.

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:20

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:17

Palmfrond · 28/09/2022 18:08

@CarsonViolet
I think most people in the U.K. find double barrelled names pretentious, comical, and/or if recently concocted, ostentatious and (gasp) aspirational, perhaps all of the above. They’ve been viewed this way for a long time. A very long time. Call your kid what you want, but just as with all the mn threads about people who want to call their kid Jaxyn or Shardonne, you should know that your kid will be judged by it. To what degree, I don’t know, but the cultural baggage of a double barrelled name is not going to disappear any time soon.

This has actually been one of the more sensible comments on here. The only issue with this is that if you look at the responses to this thread nobody can actually agree on what the baggage is.

Half the responses are "DB names are chavvy and council estate" and the other half are "they're snobby and grandiose".

I'd be able to better understand everyones seething anger and twisted knickers if everyone could agree on what it is they're angry about.

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:12

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:10

Ha ha All you have done there my dear is cement my point. Absolutely mortified for you.

What point is that? That you get bully and mock with impunity but not others? Strange take but okay.

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Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 18:10

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:03

Flangelasashes Cantafford Thebillsthismonth

Flangelasashes Ontothe Lasttinofbeans

Flangelasashes Hadtosellthebaby Topayformefags

Oh look. I can partake in needless, childish bullying to. Anything else?

Ha ha All you have done there my dear is cement my point. Absolutely mortified for you.

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 18:09

RedWingBoots · 28/09/2022 17:58

So Rees-Mogg is chunky and long compared to Thomasson?

Lots of people with double barrelled names have one very common and short name that is widely used in the UK e.g. Rees, Smith, Jones, Box, Hill

I've got friends with common names - some short, others not - who have been caught out by being mixed up with someone else. Shitty if you are depending on being paid that month.

Clunky not chunky. But in my experience I've seen the likes of

Williams-Protheroe
Thomas-Williams
Smitham-Douglas

Not actual names, but you get 2 syllable surnames or more in each half.

And for those that I knew growing up where it was;

Louise Helen Thomas Williams

So no hyphen they are now known as simply Louise Williams professionally they don't use the first "surname"

Palmfrond · 28/09/2022 18:08

@CarsonViolet
I think most people in the U.K. find double barrelled names pretentious, comical, and/or if recently concocted, ostentatious and (gasp) aspirational, perhaps all of the above. They’ve been viewed this way for a long time. A very long time. Call your kid what you want, but just as with all the mn threads about people who want to call their kid Jaxyn or Shardonne, you should know that your kid will be judged by it. To what degree, I don’t know, but the cultural baggage of a double barrelled name is not going to disappear any time soon.

drunkinthebackofthecar · 28/09/2022 18:05

I’m so surprised at the vitriol from people who haven’t double barrelled their names…. so strange to have such an angry reaction? I’m baffled.

RedWingBoots · 28/09/2022 18:05

DuesToTheDirt · 28/09/2022 17:54

Oh I never introduce myself as Dr Dirt, it's just for forms. But then I wouldn't introduce myself as Ms Dirt either, just as Dues Dirt.

I read an American novel recently, in which the protagonists talked to and about each other as 'Dr X', 'Dr Y'. I thought, do people really do that? No-one I know does.

Not sure why people think you are pretentious using an academic title you gained through hard work. I suppose they don't realise that people like medical doctors, vets and dentists while they are allowed to use it, it is a courtesy title.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 18:03

Flangelasashes · 28/09/2022 17:47

Carson Violet Prententious-Prat
Carson Violet Sky High- Salary
Carson Violet Richer Than You- Richardson
Carson Violet Prodigious- Pregnancy Package.

Not sure which I like more...

Flangelasashes Cantafford Thebillsthismonth

Flangelasashes Ontothe Lasttinofbeans

Flangelasashes Hadtosellthebaby Topayformefags

Oh look. I can partake in needless, childish bullying to. Anything else?

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StillWeRise · 28/09/2022 18:03

OP I feel your pain and have had trouble from the ILs too (not from my own parents who presumably were pleased that their name was passed on to the DGCs)
My take on this is that parents of men are worried by this, DP was an only child and they were worried that 'DP surname' will die out, he will be the last one...never mind that the DGCs all HAVE his surname....and mine too. They also could not cope with me not changing my name and would send cards to ' Ms X his surname-my surname ' and as my DD has the same initial as me that just looks like it's intended for her!
It's crazy how much fuss people can make about simply either not doing something, or finding a logical solution to a problem,.
Patriarchy is definitely at the root of this.

drunkinthebackofthecar · 28/09/2022 18:03

Shade17 · 28/09/2022 17:11

It’s the absolute height of pretentious twattery.

I can’t understand why it’s pretentious?! Such a weird accusation!

RedWingBoots · 28/09/2022 17:58

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 17:28

I'm not a fan of double barrel surnames personally. I find them clunky, long and a mouthful, which is why I didn't give my child one. I also feel sorry for the kid who has to learn to spell it.

But I don't care what other people call their kids. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Call your kid Bob Bobby-McBob if you want, I don't have to yell it up the stairs each night 😂

So Rees-Mogg is chunky and long compared to Thomasson?

Lots of people with double barrelled names have one very common and short name that is widely used in the UK e.g. Rees, Smith, Jones, Box, Hill

I've got friends with common names - some short, others not - who have been caught out by being mixed up with someone else. Shitty if you are depending on being paid that month.

DuesToTheDirt · 28/09/2022 17:54

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 17:48

I'm so sorry but you've just reminded me of that episode of Friends when Ross introduced himself in the hospital as Dr Geller and Rachel tells him not to "because that means something here" 😂

Oh I never introduce myself as Dr Dirt, it's just for forms. But then I wouldn't introduce myself as Ms Dirt either, just as Dues Dirt.

I read an American novel recently, in which the protagonists talked to and about each other as 'Dr X', 'Dr Y'. I thought, do people really do that? No-one I know does.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 17:51

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 17:49

That's convenient.

But let's assume you're telling the truth. Why, having read all these posts, were you moved to tell us that nobody cares even though you've been furnished with examples of people who clearly do?

I'm curious about this too 🤔

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 17:49

FlaminNoraPhylis · 28/09/2022 17:30

I have kept my own name, actually. Yes read them all

Sorry if none of that fits in with your agenda

That's convenient.

But let's assume you're telling the truth. Why, having read all these posts, were you moved to tell us that nobody cares even though you've been furnished with examples of people who clearly do?

CaptainBarbosa · 28/09/2022 17:48

DuesToTheDirt · 28/09/2022 17:42

So many people saying it's pretentious.

Good grief, is it pretentious to want your kids to have your surname included in their surname? I kept my surname when I married, is that pretentious too? I also use my title of 'Dr' (PhD) on forms, so I suppose I am viewed as pretentiousness-central.

As to what my kids will do with their surnames if and when they marry, that's entirely up to them.

I'm so sorry but you've just reminded me of that episode of Friends when Ross introduced himself in the hospital as Dr Geller and Rachel tells him not to "because that means something here" 😂