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To not understand why double barrel surnames are so wrong/bizarre to some people?

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:07

So I recently registered the birth of my first child and gave him a double barelled surname. His name layout is Daniel Eric (My surname) (DHs surname). (None of these are actually my son's name just an example!)

In laws were visiting yesterday and were having a look at his birth certificate and were disappointed to see the surname. We did tell them that my name would be in there but apparently they just assumed it was a middle name 🙄

Cue all the 'concerns' and old fashioned twaddle about "It's just nicer and easier" and "what happens when he marries someone with a double barrel name" blah blah blah.

Am I being silly to have assumed that this crap was dead? Sure people have their own opinions on what they would personally do but to tell other people off about it?

Wanted a rant more than anything tbh but I just find it so bizarre that women wanting to share a surname with the child they carried and birthed is still contentious to some people 🤔

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TrashPandas · 28/09/2022 13:11

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 13:07

Not to mention that as a feminist who plans on bringing my kids up in a feminist household I just don't see how you can raise children to respect women while simultaneously imposing a centuries old patriarchal tradition on them. It makes zero sense to me.

Why are you (and others) pretending there's a dichotomy between giving children their father's surname or giving them a double-barrelled name?

greyinganddecaying · 28/09/2022 13:10

I'm with you OP. My kids are double barrelled and I didn't bother changing my name when I got married, so they have my name and their dad's name.

My parents, in-laws and others of that generation persist in calling me Mrs dhname though, many years on.

DoubleBuggyDriver · 28/09/2022 13:10

Buttonjugs · 28/09/2022 12:35

It is just ridiculous. Why not just give it as a middle name? It’s pretentious, makes life harder for the child that has to write it out and sounds silly. In fifty years we’ll have teachers reading out a register with Seth Morgan-Williams-Barrett-Hodgkins and names like that if the trend continues.

It really isn’t that serious especially when the parent are unmarried but would like their child to have both surnames.

I have a double barrel surname and so do my kids. They can pick which name they keep or drop if they have kids or want to get married. It’s really not the end of the world and I don’t see how it’s pretentious?

robertpaulson · 28/09/2022 13:09

worriedatthistime · 28/09/2022 12:51

How its done in spain etc is easier as you can't keep double barrelling names again and again and how do you decide what is dropped
One surname is plenty whoevers it is

Which still favours the paternal name

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 13:08

milawops · 28/09/2022 13:04

My FIL almost collapsed at my 2 having double barrelled names. We had "what about tradition" "who do you think you are, royalty" "they won't know where they come from" which considering he isn't my partner's biological father and my partner changed his name to match his step dads is even more laughable.
He then started calling my children by his surname and ignoring mine. Last time he did it And I pulled him up he told me that 2 surnames were too much to remember so I said next time I heard him do it I would get hold of deed poll and have their fathers name removed so they would just have the one surname, mine. That seems to have stopped it for now.

This is hilarious

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 13:07

Not to mention that as a feminist who plans on bringing my kids up in a feminist household I just don't see how you can raise children to respect women while simultaneously imposing a centuries old patriarchal tradition on them. It makes zero sense to me.

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 13:07

properdoughnut · 28/09/2022 12:09

Oh I know it's awful. My inlaws made such a fuss over it and send post etc to me as Mrs DH's last name. I find it insulting.

So do mine. But it's a calculated attempt to be insulting and to put us little women who have dared to assert a personal preference of identity back in their box. Says more about their insecurities than mine. I just laugh at it now, but when I caught DH thanking MiL on my behalf for a birthday card she'd sent to a Mrs Hisname who doesn't actually exist, I blew up like Vesuvius (a thing I don't do very often). He's under no illusions that this isn't to happen again, particularly as he's told her numerous times to address me by my correct name and she has deliberately ignored it. Same goes for DC, who has both names and she similarly feels she should only acknowledge one. She's been told to stop, again ignored, but it will be a happy day when DC (who is very particular about their accurate name) sets her straight on it. I hope I am there to see her face ...

As for them using my 'Dr' title, hell would freeze over first, and I find that funnier still!

milawops · 28/09/2022 13:04

My FIL almost collapsed at my 2 having double barrelled names. We had "what about tradition" "who do you think you are, royalty" "they won't know where they come from" which considering he isn't my partner's biological father and my partner changed his name to match his step dads is even more laughable.
He then started calling my children by his surname and ignoring mine. Last time he did it And I pulled him up he told me that 2 surnames were too much to remember so I said next time I heard him do it I would get hold of deed poll and have their fathers name removed so they would just have the one surname, mine. That seems to have stopped it for now.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 28/09/2022 13:03

I think in most cases the sensible thing to do is to give the child the mother's name as she has carried and birthed it (and its bloody hard work). I gave my DC my partner's name but only because my own name is associated with an unpleasant historical figure and is also generally used to describe their horrible behaviour.

Grumpybutfunny · 28/09/2022 13:01

The kids can decide what to do when they are older. It might be that in our case his husband/wife wants to take on his surname, she/he might want to add to it or he might want to take on their name. We would always say it's up to him. In our culture/circles it's not unusual to have really long names my husbands is his name, his dads first name, his middle name, confirmation name (he took it as a legal name when we married) then a double barrelled surname. In reality he uses his first name + surname but it's nice to have that history.

DS is his first name, husbands first name, his middle name followed by doubled surname he will pick his confirmation name soon.

What he picks if and when he gets married is up to him

BigOldGalaxy · 28/09/2022 12:59

I double barrelled my DDs. Why should just my husband pass his name on.
People can learn to type/spell two names. Not that hard

ShaneTwane · 28/09/2022 12:57

My unborn child is getting a double barrelled name. Im not growing this baby for 9 months to have to compromise on its first name AND give up my surname. Equally its my partners child and he gets a say in the name as well. Ergo double barrelling solves the issue. The child can then choose whatever surname it wants for its future offspring. Works in other cultures. Its only the hard of thinking who believe its an issue and sooo difficult to work out.

SummaLuvin · 28/09/2022 12:57

My DH has a double barrel name and it is a key reason as to why I haven't gotten round to changing my name yet, it will be a pain in the butt. There have been so many times I have seen DH irritated having to spell it out, repeat it numerous times... If there is a situation where a surname needs to be given I always give mine to to save the hassle. It does't help that while neither of his surnames is weird, they aren't super common so not intuitive spellings like Jones or Black. My BIL has said to us that when he marries his partner they will merge their names into a single name rather than keep the double barrel.

As a final point I think it can put children into difficult situations later on. If Sam Double-Barrel marries Chris Two-Names and want to share a surname then they either choose one in it's entirety or each prioritise one half. I don't know how I would go about choosing between my parents names without feeling like I was making one more important.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 12:56

As far as all the "in 100 years people will end up with 20 surnames" comments...We need only peep outside of Britain for 5 minutes and you can see that they're are literally dozens of nations where double barelling is commonplace and lo and behold this is not case. Almost as if things work themselves out

Yes, honestly it's a shit for brains take. If people don't like it that's one thing, but outright ignorance is another.

KiraKiraHikaru · 28/09/2022 12:55

We double barrelled when we married as neither wanted to lose our names, I already had a child with my surname. Our son together had our double barrelled surname. I don’t really see what the issue is, it’s never caused any problems other than occasionally running out of room if I have to write my name (I also have a long forename)

worriedatthistime · 28/09/2022 12:55

Of my friends who have double barrelled names aa children have all taken on their dh name once married ?

worriedatthistime · 28/09/2022 12:53

@CarsonViolet such as where , ny friend is half spanish so his mums name is part of a middle name and not used aa double barrelled ?

worriedatthistime · 28/09/2022 12:51

How its done in spain etc is easier as you can't keep double barrelling names again and again and how do you decide what is dropped
One surname is plenty whoevers it is

tranquiltortoise · 28/09/2022 12:49

sourgreenplums · 28/09/2022 12:22

My first thought was that it's good to mix up the norm of always giving husband's name. However I think that down the line, if giving a surname to a child there are only so many names you can hold onto, and therefore some will inevitably be dropped. I would not have liked to decide whether to drop my mother or father's name, so having thought about it, I prefer choosing one, either mother or father's.

I think that having this issue down the line is still better than perpetuating an entirely outdated, patriarchal tradition.

The child can decide for themselves what to do with their name on marriage and parents just need to not be petty and offended. Really not a big deal!

(Or you can just create a new name, or just use one or the other partners - but statistics are showing that people are still not using the woman's surname equally).

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:47

As far as all the "in 100 years people will end up with 20 surnames" comments...We need only peep outside of Britain for 5 minutes and you can see that they're are literally dozens of nations where double barelling is commonplace and lo and behold this is not case. Almost as if things work themselves out...

I just don't see what's so contentious about giving both surnames now and if my adult dc want to change it they can. It'll be their adult choice. It's certainly more feminist than looking my children in the eye and telling them that they don't have my name because "things are just so much nicer/easier when mothers are pushed aside"...

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OnlyFoolsnMothers · 28/09/2022 12:47

my children have double barrelled- I’ve said they can dump my surname if they wish come 18- but whilst me and my husband have parental responsibility they will have both our names.

Cuck00soup · 28/09/2022 12:44

All of the male married couples I know have double barrelled their surnames. It does seem that it's only women who are expected to give up their surname.

tranquiltortoise · 28/09/2022 12:42

ellieboolou · 28/09/2022 12:39

Can't they just use the woman's surname then?

Yes they can. However 90% of women still take their husband's surname (from a 2016 survey).

People shouldn't sniff at double barrelling when actually it was a great step forwards and the alternative for most women is still just to take their husband's name.

ellieboolou · 28/09/2022 12:39

tranquiltortoise · 28/09/2022 12:38

Those saying double barrelling is 'pretentious' should think about what they are saying.

Double barrelling was a huge step forward for feminism, where previously the surname would automatically default to the man/ father.

It's not pretentious, it was massive progress that it even became a thing.

Can't they just use the woman's surname then?

tranquiltortoise · 28/09/2022 12:38

Those saying double barrelling is 'pretentious' should think about what they are saying.

Double barrelling was a huge step forward for feminism, where previously the surname would automatically default to the man/ father.

It's not pretentious, it was massive progress that it even became a thing.

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