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To not understand why double barrel surnames are so wrong/bizarre to some people?

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:07

So I recently registered the birth of my first child and gave him a double barelled surname. His name layout is Daniel Eric (My surname) (DHs surname). (None of these are actually my son's name just an example!)

In laws were visiting yesterday and were having a look at his birth certificate and were disappointed to see the surname. We did tell them that my name would be in there but apparently they just assumed it was a middle name 🙄

Cue all the 'concerns' and old fashioned twaddle about "It's just nicer and easier" and "what happens when he marries someone with a double barrel name" blah blah blah.

Am I being silly to have assumed that this crap was dead? Sure people have their own opinions on what they would personally do but to tell other people off about it?

Wanted a rant more than anything tbh but I just find it so bizarre that women wanting to share a surname with the child they carried and birthed is still contentious to some people 🤔

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Twizbe · 28/09/2022 14:15

@Kumri me too. I've known people create really great surnames that way.

I suggested it to DH too. That he merged his two surnames and the double barrelled with mine but he wasn't keen.

Kumri · 28/09/2022 14:13

I sheepishly took DH’s surname but only as I’d always disliked mine (think similar to ‘Miss Pratt’).

I love it when families create their own surname, some friends of mine did something similar to Grey + Woods = Mr&Mrs Greywoods. Doesn’t work with all names though obviously.

In history, only important families got their name passed on through a female. That’s why inlaws can be such dicks about it I suspect “who does she think she is” 🙄

Quite interesting looking at the Sackville-West family. In 1813 Lord West married Lady Sackville, and they both changed their surname to Sackville-West. Their children were called: George West, Charles Sackville-West, Reginald Sackville, then six more who all had the Sackville-West surname. So I guess lots of conversations were had around all that 🤣

brogueish · 28/09/2022 14:12

My DH and I are married but neither of us ever changed our surnames. Honestly it just seemed like unnecessary admin for me and wasn't that keen on losing my name anyway. DC came along later and is mysurname-DHsurname, but as they're both short names DC could easily drop the hyphen if they wanted. Think something like Short-Hill.

ILs here also only use DH's surname for DC and me, which really annoys me. Especially when they post things that need to be collected from the sorting office and there is literally NO evidence for the name that's on the package. They still won't use the right names though...

heresamarshmallow · 28/09/2022 14:10

alanabennett · 28/09/2022 13:15

I don't have feelings either way about what other people call their kids, but I do see double barreling as a class marker. Whereas in the past, it signified "posh" now I feel it's the opposite. It suggests unmarried parents, which of course is a class marker in itself.

Baffled as to why being unmarried is a class marker tbh. But that aside - I’m married and double barrelled - we both took each other’s names. I didn’t want to completely change my name, husband wanted us to have the same name, and it felt like a nice meet in the middle compromise. So the kids are double barrelled too. I actually prefer the sound of it now to my pre-marriage surname - it has a more even number of syllables and balances out my first name better!

But I dunno, some people are just weird about it. When I was pregnant I had someone ask me if child was going to have my husband’s pre-marriage surname and I was like, err, no? That’s not either of our names…

And as for what they’ll do in future if they get married - I dunno, it’s up to them? Same as it was for me. I literally don’t care. It’s also pretty presumptuous to assume that marriage will be in their future.

Twizbe · 28/09/2022 14:07

@underneaththeash I knew someone who's double barrel would have been either Monk-Hatcher or Hatcher-Monk. Neither sounded that good.

Agree some surnames just don't work together.

In our case both are common surnames and very short.

Willyoujustbequiet · 28/09/2022 14:01

alanabennett · 28/09/2022 13:51

For a number of years it's been recognized that marriage is a marker of privilege. If you Google it's there's lots of articles and studies cited. Here is just one:

amp.spectator.co.uk/article/forget-race-or-class-marriage-is-the-big-social-divide/amp

Having parents who are married to each other is pretty determinative of your educational/income trajectory. Of course, there are always exceptions, eg. parents who have been widowed, but the data is there.

Leaving your marriage is a marker of privilege argument aside....

Being married does not equate to having or not having a double barrelled name In my social circle all of the married women have either kept their own name or double barrelled. It's the done thing in most professions. Others on here have said the same. I think your views are quite outdated if I'm brutally honest.

terriblyangryattimes · 28/09/2022 14:00

I've never heard people refer to DB surnames as common, in my experience it's the opposite. My own parents DB their surnames when they married so I also had a DB surname growing up, then kept it when I got married (my husband has a common surname and I didn't want it plus couldn't be arsed with the sheer faff of changing anything accounts wise)

My own kids have one of my surnames as a middle name and my husband's surname as their own surname. They can decide what to do when and if they get married.

Tell your ILs to keep their beaks out!

larkstar · 28/09/2022 13:59

My sister once had dealings with a Mrs Crumbley-Chaize. Crackers!

milawops · 28/09/2022 13:58

@properdoughnut

Yes my FIL was similar. All this fuss about the "family name"

Yet funnily enough it's always their family name that needs to be respected, never ours.

alanabennett · 28/09/2022 13:56

VestaTilley · 28/09/2022 13:46

@alanabennett no, I’m married to my DH, as are our other friends who double barrelled. And all the wives, me included, kept our own surnames.

There's definitely two camps in my experience- the educated, professional married women who retain their own names and hyphenate/double barrel their children's names (the traditional "posh" I referred to - though as the product of a council estate upbringing I suppose I mean that to encompass middle class and "upwards") but also the unmarried parents who don't share a surname and therefore their kids have both.

The difference I see is the married couples where the wife makes an affirmative decision to retain her name, and the unmarried couples who never shared a surname to begin with.

JustAWeirdoWithNoName · 28/09/2022 13:55

I think it's hilarious that a lot of pearl clutchers don't like it because they think it's "common" (I suppose because of the association with unmarried parents).

Most people I know with double barrelled surnames are extremely posh (with titles and lands). E.g. Catherine Tate posh mum sports day sketch

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 13:52

KILM · 28/09/2022 13:49

All the people going 'but you end up with 6 last names in a few generations'
Or you know, people spend a day or so pondering it and pick a variation that sounds nice etc. What an inconvenience, that thinking slightly outside the box lark. My god, what a disruption it will be, wont someone thinking of the children, forced to starve whilst their parents agonise for weeks over deciding last names then setenced to a lifetime of it taking 5 more seconds to fill in an online form and unimaginative people thinking their last name is pretentious!
Oh wait.

There is another option! People will have 6 surnames and it will cause untold confusion such as:

Jane: And how do you spell your last name?
Susan: Jones-Tyler-Stevens-Edwards-Hunt-Dyer
Jane: Huh, thats unusual. Okay appointment booked.

See how devastating this was for Susan and Jane, how it caused so many issues! 😆

Love this 😂

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alanabennett · 28/09/2022 13:51

rickandmorts · 28/09/2022 13:31

Do tell me what class I'm in as I'm soon to be an unmarried parent. I'm intrigued?

For a number of years it's been recognized that marriage is a marker of privilege. If you Google it's there's lots of articles and studies cited. Here is just one:

amp.spectator.co.uk/article/forget-race-or-class-marriage-is-the-big-social-divide/amp

Having parents who are married to each other is pretty determinative of your educational/income trajectory. Of course, there are always exceptions, eg. parents who have been widowed, but the data is there.

MissPinkCakeyBun · 28/09/2022 13:51

All this bullshite about it being pretentious and the such like. I'm mid 50's and have been double barrelled my whole life. When my daughter was born out of wedlock ( clutch those pearls all you DM readers) we chose one of my names and her dads last name and she has a unique surname. I married recently and kept one of my last names and adopted my DH as the other.
It never caused any problems and saying it causes problems with emails is just absurd. Would you say that to a colleague with a name that's double or triple barrelled as the are from a Mediterranean, African or South American country? If you would you need a long hard look in the mirror as to why

Names are personal and we can do with them as we wish.... to call people pretentious and hard work because their choice is not as simple as yours would be? Biscuit

KILM · 28/09/2022 13:49

All the people going 'but you end up with 6 last names in a few generations'
Or you know, people spend a day or so pondering it and pick a variation that sounds nice etc. What an inconvenience, that thinking slightly outside the box lark. My god, what a disruption it will be, wont someone thinking of the children, forced to starve whilst their parents agonise for weeks over deciding last names then setenced to a lifetime of it taking 5 more seconds to fill in an online form and unimaginative people thinking their last name is pretentious!
Oh wait.

There is another option! People will have 6 surnames and it will cause untold confusion such as:

Jane: And how do you spell your last name?
Susan: Jones-Tyler-Stevens-Edwards-Hunt-Dyer
Jane: Huh, thats unusual. Okay appointment booked.

See how devastating this was for Susan and Jane, how it caused so many issues! 😆

10HailMarys · 28/09/2022 13:47

People are bloody weird in general about the names of children who are not their own. I don't understand why grandparents, friends etc think it's any of their business! Like, you've had your turn at naming kids, Grandma; let someone else have a go.

VestaTilley · 28/09/2022 13:46

@alanabennett no, I’m married to my DH, as are our other friends who double barrelled. And all the wives, me included, kept our own surnames.

VestaTilley · 28/09/2022 13:45

Agree. We had all this. My DS’s name is Joe Bloggs MySurname-DHsurname.

If anything I find the tradition of giving the child the man’s name to be the mad one. The woman carries the child, gives birth and then - let’s face it - usually does most of the childcare and the wife work for 18+ years - like hell was my child not having my name!

underneaththeash · 28/09/2022 13:45

I think it depends
If your surnames are Cholmondeley and Hetiarachchi, it would be ridiculous to put them together as your child (nor anyone else`) is going to be able to spell, pronounce it or write it on something official.

Some names just don't go together either - my husband and my original surname sound wrong, there's no flow to them at all and individually they are not phonetically spelt.

If you have shortish common names, I don't see any reason not to, but it's much easier to all have the same family name.

AnotherAnxiousMess · 28/09/2022 13:43

My kids have a double barrel surname, no-ones ever said anything about it. It was either that or they just had my surname and I imagine I would have got more complaints about that. Some people are just funny about keeping traditions.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 13:41

properdoughnut · 28/09/2022 13:32

I'm tempted to write cards to them under completely the wrong name. It's fucking rude.

Oh, believe me, I've been half-tempted to send her cards addressed to the exact same Mrs Hisname title she bestowed upon me. It might be DHs name and title, but it's also her ex-husband (FiL's) title as she's now divorced and remarried with a different name.

She used that name for many years, I never have, so she has more of a claim to it than I do! The only reason I didn't is that I had no intention of sinking to her petty level. PA isn't me - if I have a problem I prefer direct communication (in the end I had to confront her directly for many more serious issues than this).

BUT even so -- wouldn't it have been a belter? 😂

Willyoujustbequiet · 28/09/2022 13:39

alanabennett · 28/09/2022 13:15

I don't have feelings either way about what other people call their kids, but I do see double barreling as a class marker. Whereas in the past, it signified "posh" now I feel it's the opposite. It suggests unmarried parents, which of course is a class marker in itself.

Interesting.

In my experience it's the opposite. The women who insist on double barrelled names and indeed the men that are in favour tend to be better educated and consequently a higher class as a result. Common sense really.

Scotabroad24 · 28/09/2022 13:36

Not rtft but can't figure out why people find this so ridiculous. When ds was born we weren't married, so ds has my surname and at the time dps surname. We also live abroad and I'm very very aware of the potential difficulties of me trying to register ds for certain things if I didn't share his surname. Lots of people in similar situations.
Also surely in this day and age women aren't expected to give up their name, and after carrying and birthing a child it's well within the womans rights to want her child to bear the same name as her.

properdoughnut · 28/09/2022 13:32

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 28/09/2022 13:07

So do mine. But it's a calculated attempt to be insulting and to put us little women who have dared to assert a personal preference of identity back in their box. Says more about their insecurities than mine. I just laugh at it now, but when I caught DH thanking MiL on my behalf for a birthday card she'd sent to a Mrs Hisname who doesn't actually exist, I blew up like Vesuvius (a thing I don't do very often). He's under no illusions that this isn't to happen again, particularly as he's told her numerous times to address me by my correct name and she has deliberately ignored it. Same goes for DC, who has both names and she similarly feels she should only acknowledge one. She's been told to stop, again ignored, but it will be a happy day when DC (who is very particular about their accurate name) sets her straight on it. I hope I am there to see her face ...

As for them using my 'Dr' title, hell would freeze over first, and I find that funnier still!

I'm tempted to write cards to them under completely the wrong name. It's fucking rude.

properdoughnut · 28/09/2022 13:31

milawops · 28/09/2022 13:04

My FIL almost collapsed at my 2 having double barrelled names. We had "what about tradition" "who do you think you are, royalty" "they won't know where they come from" which considering he isn't my partner's biological father and my partner changed his name to match his step dads is even more laughable.
He then started calling my children by his surname and ignoring mine. Last time he did it And I pulled him up he told me that 2 surnames were too much to remember so I said next time I heard him do it I would get hold of deed poll and have their fathers name removed so they would just have the one surname, mine. That seems to have stopped it for now.

Yes my FIL was similar. All this fuss about the "family name"