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To not understand why double barrel surnames are so wrong/bizarre to some people?

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CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 12:07

So I recently registered the birth of my first child and gave him a double barelled surname. His name layout is Daniel Eric (My surname) (DHs surname). (None of these are actually my son's name just an example!)

In laws were visiting yesterday and were having a look at his birth certificate and were disappointed to see the surname. We did tell them that my name would be in there but apparently they just assumed it was a middle name 🙄

Cue all the 'concerns' and old fashioned twaddle about "It's just nicer and easier" and "what happens when he marries someone with a double barrel name" blah blah blah.

Am I being silly to have assumed that this crap was dead? Sure people have their own opinions on what they would personally do but to tell other people off about it?

Wanted a rant more than anything tbh but I just find it so bizarre that women wanting to share a surname with the child they carried and birthed is still contentious to some people 🤔

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 16:28

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 16:27

"DB names are pretentious and tacky" said the middle aged white lady who thinks england is the whole world 😂

Snort.

Spain is a nation of Hyacinth Buckets, it would seem.

G5000 · 28/09/2022 16:27

having the second last name as a second middle name all around can be easier for all,

might as well not bother. I use my name (first, last) multiple times every day. Nobody cares about middle names.
Also, as so many people are worried about grandchildren and how the poor things will manage - your DC might want to live elsewhere in the future, many countries have much stricter naming laws and it is often not possible for them to give their children any other names than their actual last name. I've lived in several and in none of them can you use your middle name for that, never mind a random made up one.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 16:27

"DB names are pretentious and tacky" said the middle aged white lady who thinks england is the whole world 😂

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 16:26

MsPincher · 28/09/2022 16:16

I’m unmarried and gave dds double barrelled names. I’m a wealthy professional now but grew up on a council estate. So maybe it’s just my common nature coming through.

Fucked if I’m going to join the patriarchy because some snob thinks I’m common. They likely would anyway.

Speaking as another chav with a few quid in my pocket these days, I actively enjoy the idea that the kids having both names is a lower class signifier. Excellent!

MsPincher · 28/09/2022 16:25

Lysianthus · 28/09/2022 16:23

All I can think of is how much longer it will take to sew on the name-tapes.
(Gets coat).

Get the stickers - sewing name labels is a fool’s errand

MsPincher · 28/09/2022 16:24

BuzzingFridge · 28/09/2022 16:19

Cos it sounds pretentious - and tacky

dont be ridiculous- no it doesn’t. It’s something they’ve been doing in Spain for years. Also dds can use whichever surname they like informally but have both for official documents.

Lysianthus · 28/09/2022 16:23

All I can think of is how much longer it will take to sew on the name-tapes.
(Gets coat).

BuzzingFridge · 28/09/2022 16:19

Cos it sounds pretentious - and tacky

MsPincher · 28/09/2022 16:16

heresamarshmallow · 28/09/2022 14:10

Baffled as to why being unmarried is a class marker tbh. But that aside - I’m married and double barrelled - we both took each other’s names. I didn’t want to completely change my name, husband wanted us to have the same name, and it felt like a nice meet in the middle compromise. So the kids are double barrelled too. I actually prefer the sound of it now to my pre-marriage surname - it has a more even number of syllables and balances out my first name better!

But I dunno, some people are just weird about it. When I was pregnant I had someone ask me if child was going to have my husband’s pre-marriage surname and I was like, err, no? That’s not either of our names…

And as for what they’ll do in future if they get married - I dunno, it’s up to them? Same as it was for me. I literally don’t care. It’s also pretty presumptuous to assume that marriage will be in their future.

I’m unmarried and gave dds double barrelled names. I’m a wealthy professional now but grew up on a council estate. So maybe it’s just my common nature coming through.

Fucked if I’m going to join the patriarchy because some snob thinks I’m common. They likely would anyway.

gogohmm · 28/09/2022 16:14

@CarsonViolet

Don't make assumptions as to why women change their name. For me I had a very boring very common short name, I ditched it for a more interesting last name (they would have been bizarre double barrelled). Others are estranged from their family and keen for a fresh start. Having the same last name is helpful crossing national borders, ask anyone who has older kids who haven't got the same last name!

Sirius3030 · 28/09/2022 16:10

tranquiltortoise · 28/09/2022 12:38

Those saying double barrelling is 'pretentious' should think about what they are saying.

Double barrelling was a huge step forward for feminism, where previously the surname would automatically default to the man/ father.

It's not pretentious, it was massive progress that it even became a thing.

I went to a posh college, and I can remember the various ‘common’ people who couldn’t wait to get married so they could give themselves a doublebarrelled name. I thought it rather pathetic

Florenz · 28/09/2022 16:09

Just get rid of surnames to save all the arguments.

gogohmm · 28/09/2022 16:09

It kind of depends partly if the names work together, also too long is a problem - maximum characters is an issue (DD's friend had to decide what name to use in the military because her hyphenated name was too long for the name tag!)

There is not a single best solution, it's what works for you but two last names (no hyphen) doesn't work with many computer systems because you can't have a space (I didn't write my computer system!) having the second last name as a second middle name all around can be easier for all, especially a 6 year old learning to spell

SarahAndQuack · 28/09/2022 16:05

For us it was just practical. We're not married and we're a female-female couple, so was simpler for DD to be Smith-Jones so both of us had one name that corresponded to hers - people tend to hear the names and it 'clicks' how we're related to her, rather than them constantly assuming (as happens to friends in the same situation) that one of them isn't the child's mum.

I would assume DD will either pick a name and drop the other, or not change her name at all; it's entirely up to her and neither of us is sentimental about our names so we wouldn't care which she kept and which she didn't.

The only thing that does annoy me is when MIL insists that because DP's name comes second (sounds better that way), therefore mine is really a middle name and she can omit it. But that is annoying purely because I am well aware the intention is to annoy!

MsPincher · 28/09/2022 16:05

I agree. I gave dds both our surnames (no hyphen). Ex and his family were a bit bemused by it. Ex seemed to think I would be changing my surname- I explained that wasn’t happening. They’re the only ones in their class with a double barrel- I say if anyone asks, tell them your mums a feminist.

randomsabreuse · 28/09/2022 16:02

Meh, regardless of the patriarchy I didn't actually like my surname so was glad to change it when I married. Not that I would have preferred my mother's maiden name either. So it's not always a patriarchy question.

I know people who have kept names when married or double barrelled, it's a choice.

I'd not choose to double barrel because my first name is enough of a faff to spell...

alanabennett · 28/09/2022 16:01

gretr · 28/09/2022 15:21

Wow! I didn’t realise it was only lower class people not getting married 😂 ?! In my experience it’s more the North London middle class set that don’t get married before having children. That Rees-Mogg is certainly a bit of a chav though…

There are exceptions, obviously, but the general trend is that marriage is becoming a marker of privilege. I posted the Spectator link up thread, but a casual google will find you lots of information. There's a strong correlation between income/education levels and rates of marriage.

Darkstar4855 · 28/09/2022 16:00

I thought it was a sign of unmarried parents rather than anything pretentious?

It seems a bit unnecessary to me but then I have to handwrite names a lot so writing out two names instead of one is irritating!

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 15:56

The "but your name is just your dad's name" argument is strange. The minute I was born and given that name it became mine as much as anyone else with it.

This hardly justifies the idiocy of believing that women and children must take husband's name to honour centuries old patriarchal tradition. Men have never been expected to do the same. It's the principle. If I was to give my son my DHs name I'd feel that I was raising him to see me, and all women, as less than.

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 28/09/2022 15:56

ladygindiva · 28/09/2022 15:48

I agree with this. Plus... My surname is just my dad's name. And his dad, and his grandads. The name doesn't belong to any females, like my mum or grandma. So it doesn't feel very progressive or feminist to be bothered about keeping it tbh.

Why does it not 'belong' to any females? It sounds like the men all got it from a man too, but it still counts as theirs?

Orangello · 28/09/2022 15:52

So how does it work, my DS has a surname but DD doesn't, not really? It's just a pretend name she is using?

Everydayimhuffling · 28/09/2022 15:51

I have a double barrelled name and gave my DCs one too, with DP's name swapped in for one of my names. I chose the more interesting of my names to give them. I doubt they will keep my half if they do what I did, but that doesn't bother me at all.

I hate the term maiden name. I prefer birth name. Mine belongs to me as much as my brother's belongs to him, so I don't understand the idea that it's your father's. Also if you choose to change your name then that name belongs to you too.

ladygindiva · 28/09/2022 15:48

LosingTheWill2022 · 28/09/2022 12:30

Its none of the IL's business so they should say nothing.
But as you're asking on a forum, I think double-barrelling is pretty daft. The question of what happens next generation of names is valid. 2 parents with double barrelled names will each have to ditch one name and risk offending one parent each. You can't say it matters to you having the same surname as your dc and pretend you wouldn't bat an eyelid if they ditch it when they marry.

the issue of surnames is a tricky one and I definitely don't think its should automatically be father's name (DD has mine). But double-barrelling doesn't solve it.

I agree with this. Plus... My surname is just my dad's name. And his dad, and his grandads. The name doesn't belong to any females, like my mum or grandma. So it doesn't feel very progressive or feminist to be bothered about keeping it tbh.

CarsonViolet · 28/09/2022 15:42

The thing is I imagine that being able to DB names has probably saved couples a lot of arguments. What exactly is the solution when both parents feel strongly about passing their own names?

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medusawashere · 28/09/2022 15:38

Bideshi · 28/09/2022 15:30

My so-called 'maiden' name was not mine but my father's. You don't get away from the Patriarchy that easily.

Here's one. My God. It's YOUR name, not your dad's. You choose what you want to do with it. Patriarchy may have given you that name but you get to decide what to do with it. It was yours and belonged to YOU.