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Colleague taking the piss….

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Laughingteacakes · 01/09/2022 20:16

I work in a team alongside a colleague, we do the same job, we are on a small team in a public services workplace - don’t want to be too outing. We are able to work from home but also have an office base and we do work in the community, around the area of our office base.
This colleague has small children, she doesn’t have childcare in place consistently, she seems to be working her job around her childcare needs rather than pay for the right amount of childcare (money isn’t an issue, think expensive car, large house etc). She also travels from home to work in her work time so that she can be at home at the times she needs for her childcare, without making up the 1.5ish hours this takes her each day. The rest of the team are working really hard, extra hours, lots of stress about getting through the workload, she is breezing along with a much lighter workload and therefore managing to continue to be at home whenever she needs to for her children. It is driving me crazy, I am so pissed off that the rest of the team including myself are working so hard and she is taking the absolute piss. I know different people have different work ethics but I feel this is really out of order. It’s also causing lots of negativity in the team with people feeling so cross.
This has been going on about a year, but is getting worse. I need advice, how would you deal with this, our manager doesn’t seem to be interested as the teams work is getting done.
YABU - you should just get on with it and not get involved.
YANBU - this is a piss take and you should do something to try and get the workload more even. Thanks for any views…I’m that worked up about it I can’t think straight….😊

OP posts:
rainbowmilk · 02/09/2022 20:17

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 18:58

@rainbowmilk it’s got nothing to do with class! But a lot to do with people communicating at work (and you don’t need the misogynistic men in the trade unions to represent men and women) both men and women - it’s just some people are too busy ganging up on others - being all nicey nicey to their face and then running them down behind their backs - got something you want to say at work - say it to the appropriate director and stop being a pain in the bottom you sit on!

I haven’t got the faintest idea what you’re on about, but I mean “class” as in a “class of people”, not as in working/middle/upper class.

Mfsf · 02/09/2022 20:15

You know I’m a bit like you and my work ethic is that I will always do my best job . But threw covid I worked non stop while most if my colleague made up every excuse under the son . So gave me perspective and since then I miss work if I need , I stopped taking calls after work hours and when I needed long term sickness leave during my recent pregnancy I had it without feeling guilty .
My advice is do your work , let others do theirs . Do not feel obligated dog step up to do others jobs . It’s better in the long run

Slv199 · 02/09/2022 20:12

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 01/09/2022 20:27

An unpalatable truth here, but loads of people are wfh and saving a fortune by not paying childcare. Colleagues picking up the slack.
Pisses me right off.

WFH is one thing, WFH whilst looking after young children is quite another. Especially when it affects your ability to actually do the work.

I used to work with someone who would come in late, leave in the middle of meetings, disappear early. She had children but it was actually because she was so disorganised. She gave working Mums a bad name. They made her have a flexible working agreement but she couldn’t even stick to that.

LookItsMeAgain · 02/09/2022 20:08

Snoozer11 · 01/09/2022 21:02

I work hard, but I honestly have never understood people who get their knickers in a twist over what their colleagues do. Sometimes I raise an eyebrow, but I understand that everyone has lives and that it doesn't impact me.

Presumably they're only holding themselves back when it comes to promotion.

I work from home and sometimes I hear people's kids in the background. Or building work. Or a dog barking. I don't think anything of it and if someone made a comment to me about a little background noise I would find it very hard to bite my tongue.

Its not your job to concern yourself with her routine.

@thefirstmrsrochester lockdown dogs aren't puppies any more and require little attention during the day. What exactly is the problem? Are you opposed to people daring to work from home if they have a dog snoring under the table?

You can't understand why a colleague who is taking liberites with their time and impacting on their team mates is causing those team mates to get their knickers in a twist?

I don't read the OP's post as her being concerned about the colleagues routine, just how that routine is affecting and impacting on the other colleagues and team mates.

Shortkiwi · 02/09/2022 20:08

I’ve worked in the NHS for 42 years and I am still picking up the slack for lazy colleagues. I’ve just been thinking of all the shirkers I’ve worked with. They seem to get away with it unfortunately. At least I have a clear conscience, I know I’m hard working and would be mortified to think anyone thought I wasn’t pulling my weight. I often think if the NHS was privatised these people wouldn’t last 2 minutes, not that I want that!

Islandgirl68 · 02/09/2022 20:01

It's not fair, if she is paid for say 36 hours, but only actually spends say 27 hours doing her work of course that is wrong. Think that is quite common in some places, I have herd of others doing this.

LicoricePizza · 02/09/2022 19:57

Shirkers are a nightmare & doing it in plain sight must be really galling.

Could you raise it with your manager as a team - so as to show that it’s not just affecting you? Plus then can’t be written off as an issue between just the 2 of you.

Sympathies it’s a nightmare when you feel you’re being mugged off by someone in your so called team & nobody’s doing anything about it.

Good luck

PeachyPeachTrees · 02/09/2022 19:55

You're being too nice. Colleague knows you will pick up the slack and is happy for this to happen. To all those Mumsnetters saying leave her alone, imagine if everyone slacked off like her. Of course you need to have a proper meeting with the line manager and sort this out. The colleague needs to pay for some more childcare as she obviously needs it to do her contracted hours.

billy1966 · 02/09/2022 19:47

Tessabelle74 · 02/09/2022 18:36

You and the other team members just do what you're meant to, any slack, let it go and when your manager asks why, you can all tell them that you're not covering her any more so stuff isn't getting done

This.

Its so obvious its unbelievable.

I don't know anyone who would tolerate this for a minute, much less allow it to go on for months and months.

So passive.

I can't imagine the foolishness of working for free whilst a colleague does fxxk all.

As for all the posters telling her to mind her own business?
Laughable.

It is the OP's business when her private life is impacted by working for free to cover a colleague taking the piss!🙄

NumberTheory · 02/09/2022 19:44

SwitchedOnMum · 02/09/2022 19:27

I think you should stop trying to micro manage your colleague and concentrate on your own work. Raise your concerns with a line manager and do things properly.
I used to work with a few presumptuous, vindictive women, who were bullying and unkind and embellished everything I said or did and turned it into a negative to try and prove that I was not capable of working the same load with young kids. They were vile and didn't know the half of it. It sounds like you and your other colleagues are determined to see the worst in her, which makes you look like a bunch of bullies. Be careful how you handle this as it could very much backfire and be harmful to your own reputation.

You are projecting. There is nothing in the details the OP has posted that suggests she has been at all bullying.

N1no · 02/09/2022 19:44

She might not be able to get childcare for her children. I have just booked a space as I’m TTC because the childminders are all booked out.

we have just bought a Tesla because my partner was sinking large sums into our old diesel with no hope of it becoming better again. Electric is much cheaper especially once the car is paid.

Fifi20000 · 02/09/2022 19:43

The days I wfh I can do my hours with childcare in place. I just can't do that when I have to drive into work, I just can't get wrap around childcare and no after school clubs. Those days I make up for it by writing up notes, reports and sending emails in the evening. My manager is aware, but to my colleagues, it probably looks like I am taking the piss.

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 02/09/2022 19:40

Lazy people rely on others picking up the slack and not challenging them. Not fair on the colleagues nor the taxpayer.

If she can't manage her time, she needs to go part time and get her pay adjusted.

SwitchedOnMum · 02/09/2022 19:27

I think you should stop trying to micro manage your colleague and concentrate on your own work. Raise your concerns with a line manager and do things properly.
I used to work with a few presumptuous, vindictive women, who were bullying and unkind and embellished everything I said or did and turned it into a negative to try and prove that I was not capable of working the same load with young kids. They were vile and didn't know the half of it. It sounds like you and your other colleagues are determined to see the worst in her, which makes you look like a bunch of bullies. Be careful how you handle this as it could very much backfire and be harmful to your own reputation.

Toomuchtrouble4me · 02/09/2022 19:12

niceaspaella · 01/09/2022 20:20

You focus on your own job

if people want to work extra and be working martyrs they can do that but no one is forcing them

This - If her manager is happy with her performance then it’s not your business.

yorkshirebird2382 · 02/09/2022 19:11

I'm late to the party but even if she was doing her work, if you are working extra hours consistently to get the job done all you are doing is masking an issue unfortunately.
I am also NHS and would struggle to put a business case together for staff/ resource/ technology/ investment to help/ if the work was getting done.
I have team members that do this. They are not martyrs, they care greatly about what they do but i try to make them see its on me, not them if things don't get done and all they are doing is hiding a problem. Having a healthy work life balance means being more likely to have happy staff who on a rare occasion will go the extra mile (not every single day) when it's needed.
I'd want to know if I was this persons manager so I could gather evidence, but I'd also want to make sure you were ok and not in danger of burn out.
I really hope your line manager listens

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 19:04

Would be good to be a fly on the wall! Bet Mumsnet remove this discussion overnight - trades union people trying to stir up a hornets nest on chat rooms whilst there’s industrial action going on elsewhere - bit like the phoney question yesterday about a woman who claimed she met a guy in a bar, got drunk, had a ONS and felt like a slag - but then the I.p. Address flagged up as suspicious - bet you tomorrow this thread will have been closed down FAKE ISSUES ETC

Morganrae1 · 02/09/2022 19:03

You need to out her. If she has designated tasks and you and the rest of the team are picking them up simply stop doing them and the truth will out.

illicitinkling · 02/09/2022 18:58

@rainbowmilk it’s got nothing to do with class! But a lot to do with people communicating at work (and you don’t need the misogynistic men in the trade unions to represent men and women) both men and women - it’s just some people are too busy ganging up on others - being all nicey nicey to their face and then running them down behind their backs - got something you want to say at work - say it to the appropriate director and stop being a pain in the bottom you sit on!

Isaidnomorecrisps · 02/09/2022 18:42

Bad manager not to sort this out. They should be aware, especially after a year.
Be very careful not to end up as the shot messenger on this.
As a manager for longer than I can count, it’s essential things like this are sorted asap. One bad apple means the whole team suffers. It’s hard though - they can be the first to cite any type of defence they think will stick. I’ve had someone blatantly working two jobs while in the office and I still ended up with her citing me for disciplinary issues when I’d done everything by the book. Sorry for this, must be an absolute pain.

thequeenoftheandals · 02/09/2022 18:39

I am baffled at the many pp who have advised OP to focus on her work and not on the colleague….her colleague’s idleness is causing an increase to her work. So by her raising this, op is focusing on her work. The focus is to reduce her increased workload cus her colleague sucks!

Tessabelle74 · 02/09/2022 18:36

You and the other team members just do what you're meant to, any slack, let it go and when your manager asks why, you can all tell them that you're not covering her any more so stuff isn't getting done

godmum56 · 02/09/2022 18:33

Laughingteacakes · 02/09/2022 17:19

I know she’s full time, I know she doesn’t have a flexible working arrangement and I know she hasn’t any special agreements about travelling in her work time or caring for children in working hours. I also know how financially comfortable she is as she is very vocal about how she spends money, what the car costs monthly, holidays etc.

Anyway, thanks for all the advice and supportive comments, a conversation with my manager is now on next weeks to do list, I really appreciate all the guidance. For everyone that has suggested not doing picking up the extra, it’s really not that simple, there would be risk to doing that and whilst some might say that’s not my problem it’s just not something I’m prepared to have on me, call that being a martyr if you like.

Thanks again all who’ve taken the time to read/post 😊

ok you are a martyr. I am a retired NHS manager and I used to get fed up with people doing extra hours because they couldn't leave stuff.

rainbowmilk · 02/09/2022 18:30

Another one who thinks work/life balance is just for mums eh @illicitinkling? That was the mentality that saw me burnout! Everyone is deserving of the ability to structure work around their personal life, as long as they’re performing and doing what they’re paid to do. Not just one class of people.

Jaxxy · 02/09/2022 18:30

YABU - you are making a lot of assumptions about your colleague and seem to have spent a lot of time analysing her movements and diary, which I think is bordering on obsession.

if you feel you are working harder than you should and that there is a lack of parity between team member then the only person that can resolve this is your line manager.

there could be lots of different factors at play here, doing work off line ie marking up notes, reading through reports and prep, quality of her actual work which may be better than average, feedback from others and lots of things that a line manager could be seeing as a total picture.

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