Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Porn culture has led to women suffering injuries during sex

890 replies

Doyoumind · 12/08/2022 10:01

Apart from all the violence etc porn portrays as normal, anal sex is definitely treated as an everyday thing that women enjoy. I don't personally. I know some women claim they do but I've certainly known men who pressure for it and I'm guessing it's only got worse in the years since I was dating.

This article suggests women are unknowingly entering into something that can cause serious injuries.

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/11/rise-in-popularity-of-anal-sex-has-led-to-health-problems-for-women

OP posts:
11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 17:15

@picklemewalnuts interesting question. Physically, I really like the feeling of fullness and the pressure. I orgasm a lot more intensely when anal is combination with clitoral play. I like the tightness and I think I can feel more intimately the size, shape, etc of my partner- if I'm with one- because overall it's tighter.

If I have a partner who is too big though it's too painful and a total no go area. I also have to be in the right mood- certain times of the month when I am really horny I usually want it, but other times I don't.

Mentally, I am also turned on by giving myself completely to someone, and by knowing how good it feels for both of us, and by getting the audio feedback loop of pleasure which therefore increases my pleasure. I have thankfully never been coerced anally nor has anyone tried to jump holes without my express permission- so I think that was lucky.

Interestingly my ex husband never liked it so we never did it, and I missed it!

ImWell · 12/08/2022 17:12

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 16:54

@ImWell @CrazyBatLady66 it was illegal until 1994 but never enforced...

Well, every day’s a school day.

I’m not British, and now I wonder which other laws I’ve been inadvertently breaking here.

Is it still OK to give a baby booze?

Stoma · 12/08/2022 17:12

A good, balanced post @BenCoopersSupportWren.

AdamRyan · 12/08/2022 17:11

We need to find a way of empowering girls to feel comfortable saying "no", and when the time comes, only saying "yes" to something they feel fully informed about - especially any risk - and enthusiastic towards. We need to help them recognise what is genuine sexual curiosity, and what is a potential trauma response.

Maybe we need to find a way to stop boys boasting about brown wings/every holes a goal and that this is harmful to girls and they should care. Maybe we should make it clear it isn't an experience everyone should try and that most people don't enjoy it?

Why is the focus in suggesting its a problem because girls don't say no? Feels a bit like victim blaming.....

Crikeyalmighty · 12/08/2022 17:11

@BenCoopersSupportWren excellent post.

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 17:09

@msssm totally!!!

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 17:09

@LivesinLondon2000 I agree completely with your second post. I am definitely not a man pleasing woman (ask my ex husband) but I believe many are. It's so hard to encourage empowerment and experimentation whilst also building up self esteem, boundary setting skills, safety, and mitigating against the impacts of porn. It's not just young women who are affected, either. It's a whole new world for young men, too, and a lot of pressure and expectation to perform and do things they aren't naturally comfortable with either- but no one teaches them anything else

Fifife · 12/08/2022 17:09

Women need to taught to tell men to fuck off if they don't want to do something. Instead of doing it just to please them.

Rooroobear · 12/08/2022 17:04

If we like it and understand the risks surely that’s up to the woman to decide. It’s not about normalising it, to me it is normal and something some women do enjoy. Surely you can see that point. I understand that some see it as disgusting but to try and make people feel like that is not ok. If we fully consent to it and understand what could happen then that should be enough.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 12/08/2022 17:04

Whether I have or like anal sex or not is irrelevant to this thread. This is about a societal issue, not our personal preferences.

It's unhelpful when posters state as if incontrovertible fact that X sexual practice, whatever it is, can't possibly be liked by any woman / is 'gross', or that any woman who claims to enjoy it is 'brainwashed'. There are plenty of things I have no interest in trying, but I accept that other women may enjoy them. Similarly, the women who do enjoy activities which carry a higher degree of risk than the norm have a responsibility when they talk about those activities. There is a difference between normalising a practice and normalising conversation about that practice, which should highlight the risks. For example, there is simply no safe way of sexually choking someone, and anyone who claims otherwise has merely been lucky to date. That is a practice where there needs to be conversation about it, but that conversation needs to be "this is extremely risky, women die, yes some women may enjoy the sensations of being partially strangled and if you're one of them that doesn't make you weird, but the benefit is absolutely not worth the risk". Similarly, the more we learn about the risks to women of anal sex, the more we should be highlighting those risks.

There is a big difference between a woman in a sexual relationship (whether short- or long-term) with a man who respects her, her boundaries and her preferences deciding to try something from a position of being informed and confident of being able to stop it if she finds it unpleasant, and what is happening to far too many young women because of the pervasive influence of male-gaze porn (which is the majority of porn, of course) and particularly violent porn.

We need to find a way of empowering girls to feel comfortable saying "no", and when the time comes, only saying "yes" to something they feel fully informed about - especially any risk - and enthusiastic towards. We need to help them recognise what is genuine sexual curiosity, and what is a potential trauma response. We need to support them that it's okay to say "I don't care if everyone from the old woman down to the fly and spider she swallowed are trying this, I DON'T WANT TO", and we need to teach boys to respect their sexual partners, to accept "no" without coercion or shaming. Both sexes will benefit from understanding that the majority of modern porn is misogynistic and fake and is not a template for a healthy sex life. For girls, I think it starts not with setting healthy boundaries in sex but setting the bar higher in male partners full stop. We need to teach and support and model behaviour around not settling for any man because it's perceived as somehow better than being alone.

And we all, including on here, need to stop categorising women into 'prudes and pearl clutchers' or 'brainwashed cool girls'. Set your own boundaries for your own body; don't police other women setting theirs.

excitingusername · 12/08/2022 17:04

In Roman times it was common for men to do this to women/slaves and children - you think in a time of no medical help/poor sanitation/oft being pregnant and women's pipes being ruptured by childbirth you think that destroying the rectum was considered generally a good and desirable idea by the people who had no say in this culture? Progress was probably sodomy NOT being part of the female/child/boy experience and men not having complete entitlement to every part of everyone's bodies!

But carry on shoving stuff in places it shouldn't be in the name of 'liberation'. Women have always participated in their own oppression.

Crabbyboot · 12/08/2022 17:02

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 11:30

I actually do like anal- I really enjoy it in fact.

Women's anuses are no different than men's- what nonsense!

However, safe anal takes knowledge, consent, and practice. You need lots of lube, you need to start small to relax the muscles, and you need to ensure that you're empty, so to speak. Unsafe anal can cause serious injury - as, might I add, can unsafe and non-consensual vaginal sex.

The issue isn't with anal, it's with the unsafe depiction of it in porn, the lack of education on how to do it safely, and the lack of discussion around pleasure, pain, and consent.

THAT is what we need to teach young women!

The last thing we need is for women who do enjoy anal to feel ashamed of it.

It's not just for gay men, as a PP intimated!

But they are different, women don't have a prostate gland. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't stimulating the prostate gland cause men to ejaculate?

Crikeyalmighty · 12/08/2022 17:01

@Pinkspice well said- this is why I'm against being told porn is normal relationships- no, it's been 'normalised' - and that's not the same thing. A lot of very nice women are told to get off their high horse about it if they aren't happy with partners constantly watching it , by both men and women , because they are told it's 'normal and we that aren't ok with it are just utter prudes. We all have different levels of what's normal and ok- and I've read far too many posts here where those who aren't ok with porn in their relationships are told to 'lighten up- it's normal' - just as I'm fine with those who on this thread genuinely like anal- but I don't expect to be told 'hey, these days it's normal' - maybe it is, but I won't be indulging - been there- got the ice pack!!

Miffee · 12/08/2022 16:59

Rooroobear · 12/08/2022 16:52

You are so close minded.

We are not saying we’re proud of anything, we are giving another view. So what if we “shove” things up our bums just like we do our vaginas but there’s no bashing about that. You are awfully judgemental of other peoples sex lives. If you like anal sex and are ok with the consequences then do it. If you don’t want to them don’t!! Simple

I have told you what the problem is. Indeed you quoted it. Yet you won't address it.

I wonder why?

Is it because you cannot justify your incessant wittering about enjoying putting things in your anus?

Please note I have no problem with you enjoying putting things in your anus, it's the wittering on I take issue with.

hewouldwouldnthe · 12/08/2022 16:58

I remember a woman and her partner coming into A&E and she was bleeding like a stuck pig from her anus where the penis had torn her internally. Needed surgery in the end. Anyone bet she never had anal sex again?

Miffee · 12/08/2022 16:56

ANewNameANewDay · 12/08/2022 16:51

Fucking hell @Miffee would you take a break?

You're far too partisan to be contributing anything meaningful to this thread. You're trying so hard to find the cool girls you're actually making yourself look like one!

I don't give a fuck of you think I'm a cool girl. I would prefer cool woman though.

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 16:54

@LivesinLondon2000 I agree

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 16:54

@ImWell @CrazyBatLady66 it was illegal until 1994 but never enforced...

Rooroobear · 12/08/2022 16:53

*possible consequences

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 16:53

@Minecraftatemychild we don't teach that to kids! Equally it is possible, though rare, to get pregnant through anal sex. The opening of the anus isn't that far from the opening of the vagina, and if semen manages to leak out of one and enter the other (sorry, TMI), it's surprisingly good at getting where it's meant to be!

Rooroobear · 12/08/2022 16:52

Miffee · 12/08/2022 16:49

I don't think the posters I were referring to were coerced. Indeed I have repeatedly said that I have no doubt some women do enjoy sticking things up their arse and certainly seem to be awfully proud of it.

My issue is those cool girls, pick me, not like other girls, aren't I special women are normalising an objectively harmful sex act.

And why? Why do they want the world to know that they like things being stuck in their bum? Why do they want to partcipate in normalising it? To be the cool girl is the only answer I can come up with.

You are so close minded.

We are not saying we’re proud of anything, we are giving another view. So what if we “shove” things up our bums just like we do our vaginas but there’s no bashing about that. You are awfully judgemental of other peoples sex lives. If you like anal sex and are ok with the consequences then do it. If you don’t want to them don’t!! Simple

Headbandheart · 12/08/2022 16:51

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 11:30

I actually do like anal- I really enjoy it in fact.

Women's anuses are no different than men's- what nonsense!

However, safe anal takes knowledge, consent, and practice. You need lots of lube, you need to start small to relax the muscles, and you need to ensure that you're empty, so to speak. Unsafe anal can cause serious injury - as, might I add, can unsafe and non-consensual vaginal sex.

The issue isn't with anal, it's with the unsafe depiction of it in porn, the lack of education on how to do it safely, and the lack of discussion around pleasure, pain, and consent.

THAT is what we need to teach young women!

The last thing we need is for women who do enjoy anal to feel ashamed of it.

It's not just for gay men, as a PP intimated!

Hmm..did you read the article? Womens anus are apparently NOT like mens anuses for the reasons cited. But hey what do qualified medics and anatomists know compared to you?

this is the point- women are more prone to injury than men becuase of their different anatomy

ANewNameANewDay · 12/08/2022 16:51

Fucking hell @Miffee would you take a break?

You're far too partisan to be contributing anything meaningful to this thread. You're trying so hard to find the cool girls you're actually making yourself look like one!

Miffee · 12/08/2022 16:50

Stoma · 12/08/2022 16:45

Things like

Sticking things up your arse
Brainwashed
Cool girl
Pathetic
Disgusting

Are not things you say to victims, women you believe are coerced into this act. It's truly disgraceful that women hide behind feminism, it takes me back to the days of slut shaming and bullying at secondary.

Posting links is helpful. Personal attacks are not, least of all to women you believe to be exploited.

Oh, and I'm not a feminist. Thay was a presumption made by another poster.

😉

11GrumpsaGrumping · 12/08/2022 16:49

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen I love that you think we anal-sex enjoyers have secret websites with secret research!

Will see what I can dig up.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is closed and is no longer accepting replies. Click here to start a new thread.