Porn culture has led to women suffering injuries during sex

@excitingusername

Why we have to fall over ourselves in the first place to be fair to the bumsex brigade in our education -the idea that we have to have an empathetic, 'rightthink' response to dangerous and repugnant sexual behaviour is the dystopia we're already in. The small minority prove that they are not willing to simply be 'tolerated' and keep it in the bedroom, they demand sycophantic affirmation from those who find it to be undesirable.

Their right to 'not be shamed' as they engage with behaviour most find repulsive, trumps the needs of women and children's physical and emotional health and wellbeing. And adding to that it's ultimately so we don't offend a certain demographic - so yet again male sexual gratification is the most important thing over the sexual health and wellbeing of women and girls.1

100% THIS!

@gnilliwdog

All those people talking about women just needing to do it safely, to practise, that it's normal, healthy and everyday. That's what so many here are arguing against.

EXACTLY!

@Pinkspice

I don't think people are bothered about the sexual practice at all, provided that it's not normalised, in other words becoming a mainstream 'expected' part of sex. That's because it then becomes a question of 'everyone does it, so why don't you?'. Unfortunately those who do practise it want it to be normalised to validate their feels. That's what I object to.

If people want to do it consensually then just carry on. But, no, that's not enough, they have to be validated and not shamed. And that's where it starts to be impossible to state the risks and the fact that it doesn't have to be expected and it's not really mainstream and some women find it degrading and painful. The fans don't want to accept that, again cos of their feels. Well sorry but I'm all about protecting young women and vulnerable women from feeling pressurised. And it offends a few people, then tough.

As a few others have said. Well said pinkspice.

Also, not gonna lie, I am tickled pink that people are using my saying - bumsex brigade!

Mic drop to Pink then!

Yet more irrelevant wittering. Individual preferences of some posters have absolutely nothing to do with what the content of education on this issue should be.

I'd say this thread has the rudest posters I've ever come into contact with.

"Yet more irrelevant wittering" 🙄

But Ironically the individual preferences of some posters are totally influencing what the content of education on this issue should be. Think about it. 😁

i think this is nonsense. I don't think people are bothered about the sexual practice at all, provided that it's not normalised, in other words becoming a mainstream 'expected' part of sex. That's because it then becomes a question of 'everyone does it, so why don't you?'. Unfortunately those who do practise it want it to be normalised to validate their feels. That's what I object to.

If people want to do it consensually then just carry on. But, no, that's not enough, they have to be validated and not shamed. And that's where it starts to be impossible to state the risks and the fact that it doesn't have to be expected and it's not really mainstream and some women find it degrading and painful. The fans don't want to accept that, again cos of their feels. Well sorry but I'm all about protecting young women and vulnerable women from feeling pressurised. And it offends a few people, then tough.

Their right to 'not be shamed' as they engage with behaviour most find repulsive, trumps the needs of women and children's physical and emotional health and wellbeing.

🙄 who thinks the needs of women and children should be trumped?

Who? Probably exactly no one on this thread.

There is a horrendous problem right now with what porn is saying and teaching young people, men and women. It's frightening that young woman or men are feeling they must do anything sexually.

Equally If you think telling women what they should or shouldn't be doing sexually on an internet thread helps in any way or is any different. crack on. It's just as arrogant as most porn.

You can jig it up as being about the needs of others. But it's just as controlling and dominating.

Maybe you did want a discussion about this subject in a non totalitarian way but I doubt it . I don't think you really care about the needs of^^ any of the others that you spout on about.

There Is a great deal of commonality on here but lost under a tidal wave of people' s personal objections to sexual practice.

I fear for my kids. I talk to them about personal choice. That is not respected on here.

So don't make me laugh saying it's about the personal health and well being of other women and children. Nah it's all about you.

Thank you @AdamRyan All those people talking about women just needing to do it safely, to practise, that it's normal, healthy and everyday. That's what so many here are arguing against.

And therefore irrelevant to the discussion

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( Well, apart from the fact their existence has enraged some posters 😄

Bum Sex Brigade are like vegans. (preaching and judging and trying to convert people...) )

They're totally relevant because yes some women practice anal sex and enjoy it despite the risks.

They've made a choice.

Whereas it seems so many women particularly young women are being forced to make a choice they don't really want to make, with dire consequences.

So, anal sex is a normal part of everyday sex that women enjoy and it has been for hundreds of years. I enjoy it, I know a good portion of my close friends enjoy it and it’s definitely healthy and NORMAL in the right circumstances. However male centric, aggressive, unrealistic sex is not healthy. Yes porn absolutely pushes this toxic agenda. No women should ever feel pressured into anything especially by unrealistic expectations portrayed by porn. I don’t think porn is about to go away so we need to work at taking control of the narrative. Sadly this ain’t going to be quick. This is still a patriarchal society where men’s sexual needs control how sex is depicted in everyday culture. They control how we see ourselves and other women.

However I will say a good place for lots of people on here to start is to stop shaming women for liking anal sex. Some of the archaic and toxic attitudes displayed here towards things you might not enjoy yourself is nothing short of petty and childish.

I'm not sure of your point here? There are plenty of couples who engage in safe, consented, safeworded anal sex and without the BDSM element too (as seen in this thread if you've read the whole thing). It's infantilising and reductionist to suggest that ALL anal sex is abusive/dangerous/assault.

I actually do like anal- I really enjoy it in fact.

Women's anuses are no different than men's- what nonsense!

However, safe anal takes knowledge, consent, and practice. You need lots of lube, you need to start small to relax the muscles, and you need to ensure that you're empty, so to speak. Unsafe anal can cause serious injury - as, might I add, can unsafe and non-consensual vaginal sex.

The issue isn't with anal, it's with the unsafe depiction of it in porn, the lack of education on how to do it safely, and the lack of discussion around pleasure, pain, and consent.

THAT is what we need to teach young women!

The last thing we need is for women who do enjoy anal to feel ashamed of it.

It's not just for gay men, as a PP intimated!

Fully agree with you here! It's not for everyone, but some of us do like it. If it's safe, consensual and you do it correctly its absolutely fine.

Please read why I stated that.

It was a blanket statement that women can’t possibly enjoy anal sex.

Why is it only women that can’t enjoy anal sex, when plenty of men do.

I think we are talking to the same point.

There aren’t and shouldn’t be different views on this for women. Safety information provided, sure! But to suggest that no woman can ever enjoy this (but make no mention of the fact that no men, nor indeed no person can ever enjoy this) is not on.

And anyone can refuse to to this. Of course. That wasn’t the point of my post.