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If your accent is RP English, how do you pronounce “Glasgow”?

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Wigeon · 31/07/2022 20:19

Settle an argument between DH and me:

YANBU: Glasgow in an RP English accent is pronounced “Glarsgow” with a long “arr” or “arh” in the middle. Like the “a” in “car” (in an RP accent).

YABU: Glasgow in an RP English accent is pronounced “Gl-ah-sgow”, with a short “ah”, like the “a” in “cat” (in an RP accent).

OP posts:
woodhill · 01/08/2022 13:26

Or more glarze go

woodhill · 01/08/2022 13:25

Glass

Go

AchatAVendre · 01/08/2022 13:24

alnawire · 31/07/2022 23:26

I think you have managed to finally explain to me this really confusing 'r' - I just don't get it. But it's not 'ar', it's 'ah' - am I right? It makes sense to me now

Bath = Barth wtf = Bahth

Still makes no sound as the "a" in Glasgow is a short "a"...

Legomania · 01/08/2022 12:30

eastegg · 01/08/2022 08:14

I’m glad you admit that, as I do think some RP sounds silly! My MiL is at such lengths to try to hide the fact that she’s actually northern that she does things like pronouncing lasagne ‘lasaargne’. She even once said ‘sarnta’ for Santa at Christmas, before correcting herself when she realised she’d gone too far!

It's just an accent!

The silly part is when you know it differs from the local way, but trying to go local also sounds daft if it doesn't match the way you speak.

And your MIL sounds daft because she's putting it on

BringACarrot · 01/08/2022 12:00

I'd also say Glaz-go.

There was a previous poster who mentioned Wishaw is pronounced as Wishy, but actually her husband is using the Scots for Wishaw. Names like Wishaw and Glasgow read the same but are pronounced differently in Scots. Lots of people across the central belt interchange between the two which is why I think so many Scottish posters are saying they'd say it ever so slightly differently from each other.

The most accurate local pronunciation in English would be Glaz-go. The most accurate local pronunciation in Scots would be Glesca/Glez-ga.

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 01/08/2022 09:51

It also worth recognising that not all Glaswegians pronounce Glasgow in the same way. There are a variety of different Glasgow accents. You’ll hear Glaswegians referring to the city as Glaz-go, glass-go, glez-ga, glez-gee and various other things. Which one is the right local pronunciation?

Wouldloveanother · 01/08/2022 09:48

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/08/2022 09:47

But that isn't how it works. If I pronounced Glasgow as locals do I would sound as if I was taking the piss. Similarly with Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham, Bristol, Paris, Barcelona etc. It sounds ridiculous or pretentious, depending on your original accent and the place you're talking about. Imagine saying something like "my daughter is hoping to go to University, she's considering Birmingham, Liverpool and Newcastle" with each of those places pronounced as the locals would.

😂

EmmaGrundyForPM · 01/08/2022 09:47

Whitehorsegirl · 01/08/2022 09:26

I would pronounce it the way the locals do. It is their city, they know best...

But that isn't how it works. If I pronounced Glasgow as locals do I would sound as if I was taking the piss. Similarly with Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham, Bristol, Paris, Barcelona etc. It sounds ridiculous or pretentious, depending on your original accent and the place you're talking about. Imagine saying something like "my daughter is hoping to go to University, she's considering Birmingham, Liverpool and Newcastle" with each of those places pronounced as the locals would.

Wouldloveanother · 01/08/2022 09:44

Whitehorsegirl · 01/08/2022 09:26

I would pronounce it the way the locals do. It is their city, they know best...

Do you say Paree rather than Pariss?

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 01/08/2022 09:33

Whitehorsegirl · 01/08/2022 09:26

I would pronounce it the way the locals do. It is their city, they know best...

Glesga then?

Whitehorsegirl · 01/08/2022 09:26

I would pronounce it the way the locals do. It is their city, they know best...

InTheShadeOfTheFigTree · 01/08/2022 08:38

Glaz-go. I've genuinely never heard anyone say Glarsgow, and we have family members from the SE who live there.

FilePhoto · 01/08/2022 08:34

YouSoundLovely · 01/08/2022 08:25

This is why, when I'm explaining the long 'a' sound I use in my non-rhotic, broadly Southern English (what I think the OP would call 'RP') accent, I use 'ah' and not 'ar' - because it's confusing for rhotic and international speakers. (It's not just an English thing, btw - standard German is non-rhotic in the same way the variant of English I speak is).

I would say Glaahs-go, but PPs noting the way 'Glaswegian' or place names such as 'Glastonbury' are pronounced does make me wonder whether that's actually wrong as opposed to just a variant.

I'm also Southern English.
I read 'ah' and 'ar' as different sounds!

oviraptor21 · 01/08/2022 08:29

Not having a rhotic r is not inaccurate though as a previous poster said. It's just a different accent.
A non-rhotic speaker pronounces an r in certain circumstances, most noticeably at the beginning of a word like run. In other circumstances the r is a modifier of the preceding vowel, eg. car.

YouSoundLovely · 01/08/2022 08:28

I think (I'm not quite sure, because 'border' and 'boarder' sound the same in my accent) the difference would be pronouncing 'boarder' with a diphthong - making a slight difference between the 'o' and 'a' sounds?

YouSoundLovely · 01/08/2022 08:26

*'that' being 'my pronunciation', for the avoidance of doubt.

YouSoundLovely · 01/08/2022 08:25

CharlieAndTooManyCharacters · 31/07/2022 23:27

It’s definitely ah. Just a long ah. No rs involved. It’s only people who don’t really pronounce rs that think they’re putting them in there.

This is why, when I'm explaining the long 'a' sound I use in my non-rhotic, broadly Southern English (what I think the OP would call 'RP') accent, I use 'ah' and not 'ar' - because it's confusing for rhotic and international speakers. (It's not just an English thing, btw - standard German is non-rhotic in the same way the variant of English I speak is).

I would say Glaahs-go, but PPs noting the way 'Glaswegian' or place names such as 'Glastonbury' are pronounced does make me wonder whether that's actually wrong as opposed to just a variant.

MangoMangoMango · 01/08/2022 08:19

landoflostcontent · 31/07/2022 20:24

Anyone else say Glaz-go

Including the people who live here.

People saying Glaaaaaarrrrrrrrssssscoh get the 🙄

eastegg · 01/08/2022 08:14

VeryQuaintIrene · 31/07/2022 20:34

Glarsgow for this RP speaker as well, though I always feel a little silly saying it like that.

I’m glad you admit that, as I do think some RP sounds silly! My MiL is at such lengths to try to hide the fact that she’s actually northern that she does things like pronouncing lasagne ‘lasaargne’. She even once said ‘sarnta’ for Santa at Christmas, before correcting herself when she realised she’d gone too far!

derxa · 01/08/2022 06:53

MrsMoastyToasty · 31/07/2022 21:41

DH is from Wishaw (pronounced Wishy by locals) near Glasgow. He would say Glasgae to other locals and Glarz-gow to non locals
We live in Keynsham (pronounced Cane-shum) near Bath and Glastonbury. Locals pronounce them Barf and Glaston-bree.

I live near 'Wishy'. Glasgow pronounced 'Glazgo' 'Glesky' 'Glezgy'
These threads do my nut in. RP is an accent but it's not the 'correct' one. It's an accent used by some social groups.

Belephant · 01/08/2022 06:26

My favourite RP inaccurate pronunciation is the difference between "boarder" and "border". Apparently, amongst many RP speakers, they are indistinguishable, so intent are they on suppressing the "r" this time! Adding in "r"s where there are none and removing them where they should be! How bizarre! And how difficult that must make it to correctly pronounce many foreign languages, including all of the Scandinavian languages, German and French

I have a non rhotic accent, northern English accent and border and boarder sound identical to me,,, I'm even imagining them in other accents and I can't understand a difference! Could someone tell me how they'd make it different? Interesting!

Your second point here confuses me. Do you imagine that people with non rhotic accents can't pronounce Rs? 🤣 my foreign language pronunciation is just fine! Besides - the Rs in French are totally different to the way Rs are pronounced in any rhotic English-speaking accent I can think of. Also you seem to think that people are "intent" on not pronouncing Rs... it's not a choice, it's just my accent?! People seem to have a very strong opinion on something most people have never even thought about 🤣

WishIWasOnHolidayAgain · 01/08/2022 03:18

Glazgo

TomPinch · 01/08/2022 02:36

Definitely the long A. It sounds like glass: hard, cold, shining in the rain - just like Glasgow!!

LizzieAnt · 01/08/2022 01:58

Listening again, I think I say ah more like the second speaker. I'm not very good at this!!

LizzieAnt · 01/08/2022 01:52

@DappledThings
This is the ah sound I mean. The speakers are American, but I say it the same way. It doesn't sound like ar in an RP accent...does it?

forvo.com/word/bah_humbug/

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