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If your accent is RP English, how do you pronounce “Glasgow”?

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Wigeon · 31/07/2022 20:19

Settle an argument between DH and me:

YANBU: Glasgow in an RP English accent is pronounced “Glarsgow” with a long “arr” or “arh” in the middle. Like the “a” in “car” (in an RP accent).

YABU: Glasgow in an RP English accent is pronounced “Gl-ah-sgow”, with a short “ah”, like the “a” in “cat” (in an RP accent).

OP posts:
HoneyIShrunkThePizza · 18/09/2022 11:37

Glasgow rhythms with. "cars go" for me. Home counties.

MushroomQueen · 18/09/2022 11:03

Glars-go- from Cambridge area with typical RP accent

CountryManor · 04/08/2022 01:15

From South West London. Glars go.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 04/08/2022 00:17

Old or high RP (1930s newscaster) Gl-our-ss-goh
modern RP Gl - as -go

HaveringWavering · 04/08/2022 00:05

That was to @AchatAVendre

HaveringWavering · 03/08/2022 23:56

Again (a bit like border and boarder being pronounced differently) I'd honestly no idea that other people weren't taught at primary school to say the lower case letters first and then the capitals. So yes, they are all different. Otherwise, how do teachers differentiate between capitals and lower case when teaching children how to spell?

My son has just finished Reception. He has been taught that they are called "capital letters" and "lower case letters".

As parents we were asked to learn how to make the phonics sounds and we were specifically warned not to say "buh", "cuh" "duh" etc (instead you just make the sound of the letter, without adding any extra vowel on to it, IYSWIM) so I am fairly sure that these sounds were not being taught as a way to read out the alphabet.

LizzieAnt · 03/08/2022 23:03

AchatAVendre · 03/08/2022 22:49

I think people are confusing the long "a" with the stressed or unstressed syllable. Glasgow has 2 syllables, both are unstressed (I am Scottish).

If you put an "r" into the first syllable, it becomes a stressed syllable followed by an unstressed syllable.

Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting the ay sound was in Glasgow @AchatAVendre.

AchatAVendre · 03/08/2022 22:55

Wigeon · 03/08/2022 20:01

I can’t find the post by @AchatAVendre , and this important point deserves a whole nother thread really, but I discovered a few years ago that not everyone thinks lower case and upper case letters are pronounced differently when this came up in passing during a conversation between me, DH and a friend with a 1st in English from Cambridge, who both thought I was insane.

So, I had convinced myself that A, B, C, D etc are pronounced like you are singing the alphabet song (A like hay without the h, B like bee, c like sea etc) , and a, b, c, d are pronounced “ah, buh, cuh, duh” etc.

Upon DH and DFriend asking me to explain why and clearly thinking I’d lost it, I realised that this logic didn’t me much sense, and was probably completely wrong, so it’s quite a relief to find at least one other person (AChat) who may think the same!

Again (a bit like border and boarder being pronounced differently) I'd honestly no idea that other people weren't taught at primary school to say the lower case letters first and then the capitals. So yes, they are all different. Otherwise, how do teachers differentiate between capitals and lower case when teaching children how to spell?

To be honest, in Scotland, you need a lot of different vowel sounds anyway. So a lot of people here might pronoonce the sound of a letter as soond. Which again is similar to the larger number of vowels that the Scandinavian languages have.

montysma1 · 03/08/2022 22:53

Ignoring the assorted "Glas" versions, when English people say Glarsgow, we Glaswegians hear Glarsgou.
The English ow or oh sound, sounds like "ou" to Glaswegians.
Although English people saying "ou" sound like they are saying "aoo"!
Where does it stop,😁

AchatAVendre · 03/08/2022 22:49

LizzieAnt · 03/08/2022 21:24

I know my DC were taught in school (in Ireland) that the long a is the sound in hay and ape as @queenmeadhbh said. There are lots of tutorials online saying much the same thing.

The long a has come up on MN threads before and also causes confusion. Is there more than one long a sound?

I think people are confusing the long "a" with the stressed or unstressed syllable. Glasgow has 2 syllables, both are unstressed (I am Scottish).

If you put an "r" into the first syllable, it becomes a stressed syllable followed by an unstressed syllable.

oviraptor21 · 03/08/2022 22:42

As an RP speaker, yes we do hear the r sound in Glasgow because it's using the same sound as the sound of car. The r in car is modifying the a with its r-ness. It's obviously not the same r sound as in rabbit or heron. And in a word like never the r contributes to the schwa sound instead of being an r.

PP is right - long a is ay - long e is ee - long i is eye etc - all of these sounds can be shown with the magic e modifier, eg. mat/mate, rob/robe, cut/cute and are the same as the letter name.

LizzieAnt · 03/08/2022 21:24

I know my DC were taught in school (in Ireland) that the long a is the sound in hay and ape as @queenmeadhbh said. There are lots of tutorials online saying much the same thing.

The long a has come up on MN threads before and also causes confusion. Is there more than one long a sound?

DappledThings · 03/08/2022 20:58

Caspianberg · 03/08/2022 20:51

@queenmeadhbh - it’s not a long a to me. A long a is is ‘way’, ‘tray’. Short a ‘car’. So Grass is ‘at’ sound, not a long or short a

The a in at is a short a. So how a Northern accent would say grass. Short a is how you say "a" when learning phonics. Long a is like ah, or how a Southern accent would say grass.

The ay of tray and way is another sound altogether.

Caspianberg · 03/08/2022 20:51

@queenmeadhbh - it’s not a long a to me. A long a is is ‘way’, ‘tray’. Short a ‘car’. So Grass is ‘at’ sound, not a long or short a

Suetwo · 03/08/2022 20:42

I have an RP accent and would pronounce it Glazgo. Glaaarsgo would be a 'posh' pronunciation. Does anyone remember the repulsive art critic Bian Sewell? He had the grating 'posh' accent and would have lengthened the a into a kind of sneering drawl: Glaaaarrsgo.

I have never liked the posh/UP accent. It isn't even pleasant. It's ugly, and is designed to intimidate and belittle people. The RP is just a mildly refined accent, with the regional accent lurking in the background. Stephen Fry, for example, has an RP rather than a truly posh accent. I grew up in Norfolk and absolutely hate the Norfolk accent. I've done everything I can to get rid of it, and I don't apologize. It's ghastly.

Rayn22 · 03/08/2022 20:40

landoflostcontent · 31/07/2022 20:24

Anyone else say Glaz-go

Me! Yorkshire lass though!

queenmeadhbh · 03/08/2022 20:38

Caspianberg · 03/08/2022 20:33

The A in Glasgow I pronounce like AR in CAR.

Not a ‘long A’ or ‘AH’ or ‘Aah’ .I think that’s what the person above does to.

That is a “long A”!

someone upthread posted this which explains very well (note: without making reference to R!) Trap-bath split

Caspianberg · 03/08/2022 20:33

The A in Glasgow I pronounce like AR in CAR.

Not a ‘long A’ or ‘AH’ or ‘Aah’ .I think that’s what the person above does to.

queenmeadhbh · 03/08/2022 20:14

Wigeon · 03/08/2022 19:44

Ok, I get the explanation from the phonetics expert about why I’m wrong, but do you get that I say the letter name R the same as ah and ar? So I can hear an “R” in how I pronounce Glasgow. Even if R is different to the sound rrr which is at the start of “rabbit”, “Richard” etc.

And that if there was a completely different word spelt “glarsgow”, perhaps a type of animal, I would pronounce that word the same as I pronounce “Glasgow”.

So if you say that you “pronounce Glasgow with an R” (still not true, but let’s pretend) because you hear the name of the letter R in the middle of it, do you say that you pronounce “seesaw” with a C, because it starts with the sound of the name of the letter C?

if yes you are completely bananas!
if no then saying you pronounce Glasgow with an R is still as untrue as it was when we all presumed you meant you pronounce an R sound in it.

You keep saying “yes yes I understand but do YOU get what I mean?”. We do get what you mean which is “if I try to transcribe my pronunciation of Glasgow, I put an R in it, because that is one of the letter combinations in my accent that will result in a long A vowel sound”. What is and always has been impossible is that you or anyone else pronounces an R sound in Glasgow!!

derxa · 03/08/2022 20:09

So, I had convinced myself that A, B, C, D etc are pronounced like you are singing the alphabet song (A like hay without the h, B like bee, c like sea etc) , and a, b, c, d are pronounced “ah, buh, cuh, duh” etc. But that's almost right except it's ah, buh, c with no vowel sound, duh

Wigeon · 03/08/2022 20:02

derxa · 03/08/2022 19:59

Year 1 pupils know more about phonics than you do😂
You pronounce the letter r/R /ar/ A/a = /ay/ B/b = bee but that's different from the letter sounds eg /r/ is just rrr on its own - no vowel sound

They do indeed! 😂

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Wigeon · 03/08/2022 20:01

HaveringWavering · 03/08/2022 08:14

I'd like to go back to your question @AchatAVendre - were you suggesting that when reciting the alphabet, people make an audible distinction between upper and lower case letters?

In other words aeiou is said differently to AEIOU?

I've never ever heard of that concept. Can you explain more please?

I can’t find the post by @AchatAVendre , and this important point deserves a whole nother thread really, but I discovered a few years ago that not everyone thinks lower case and upper case letters are pronounced differently when this came up in passing during a conversation between me, DH and a friend with a 1st in English from Cambridge, who both thought I was insane.

So, I had convinced myself that A, B, C, D etc are pronounced like you are singing the alphabet song (A like hay without the h, B like bee, c like sea etc) , and a, b, c, d are pronounced “ah, buh, cuh, duh” etc.

Upon DH and DFriend asking me to explain why and clearly thinking I’d lost it, I realised that this logic didn’t me much sense, and was probably completely wrong, so it’s quite a relief to find at least one other person (AChat) who may think the same!

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derxa · 03/08/2022 19:59

Wigeon · 03/08/2022 19:51

@HaveringWavering “However, what I am wondering is why did you want to know OP?”

because DH pronounces it with a short A, despite having the same accent as me and therefore doing a long A in castle, bath, giraffe etc etc. So I’ve been accusing him of doing it as an affectation, and he thinks I pronounce it wrong.

He’s been amused to read all the responses on this thread and we both feel somewhat vindicated, although the majority is with me! 😄

Year 1 pupils know more about phonics than you do😂
You pronounce the letter r/R /ar/ A/a = /ay/ B/b = bee but that's different from the letter sounds eg /r/ is just rrr on its own - no vowel sound

Spanielsarepainless · 03/08/2022 19:57

I say Glasgow and Doncaster with short 'cat' a. But bath, grass, glass with a long one.

Wigeon · 03/08/2022 19:51

@HaveringWavering “However, what I am wondering is why did you want to know OP?”

because DH pronounces it with a short A, despite having the same accent as me and therefore doing a long A in castle, bath, giraffe etc etc. So I’ve been accusing him of doing it as an affectation, and he thinks I pronounce it wrong.

He’s been amused to read all the responses on this thread and we both feel somewhat vindicated, although the majority is with me! 😄

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