To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

i find it pretty awful that Peter adopted harvey and then when they split up stopped seeing him. Why adopt a child if you only want a relationship with him when with his mother

I do think the relationship was toxic and probably abuse from both sides based on their characters etc.

But I don't think we can blame PA for KP current MH addictions and difficulties. She was like this before they met.

There is no denying since the split things have gone from bad to worse and the relationship may have had a part to play in this.

But KP is responsible for her own actions just as PA is responsibly for his.

@ItsSnowJokes if ‘not drinking a lot ’ results in two driving bans, what will happen when she really canes it? Obviously none of us on this thread know her, we only know what is reported in the tabloids. She could be downing several bottles of gin a night for all we know. I do think it’s clear that she has substance and alcohol problems but I imagine she’s self medicating because she’s a mess mentally/emotionally. She has always appeared extremely troubled to me, even in the early days.

This.

We obviously only see what is edited, most of us don’t know these people in real life but what I do hope is for Katie to find some kind of peace, eventually meet someone who will love her for her and she can live her life out (hopefully), away from the public eye and to realise that her sexuality and the way she looks/dresses does not make her who she is, that she is more than that
From @RedorangeyellowBLACK In spades.

Sorry that was a typo from me, meant to write doesn't drink much, it is mainly the coke that she does these days. She is always off her head on coke. You can see it on her Instagram all the time.

She does drink. She was convicted of drink driving and has twice lost her licence because of it. She was found in a crashed car, twice, over the limit. She says she doesn’t drink. She does. She also does drugs. She is a mess and especially mixing it all with painkillers and anaesthetics for her surgeries she is on a very dangerous path

What about what she did to him? She was really abusive throughout the relationship. And has been in every other relationship since...........

She doesn't drink. It's the coke addiction that has cost her a lot in her life. Including her kids.

does no one seem to care that KP has a conviction for harrassment of another woman
PPs do care, everyone has said she has gone off the rails and is a mess right now. Don't doubt that she sent those horrible texts when drunk . She's responsible for her bad choices and criminal behaviour now.

But the thread is about how Peter Andre was abusive towards her - in plain sight - during their reality show and not many people realised it or picked up on it at the time when it's so obvious and hard to watch now.

No one pulled him up on it and he has never apologised publicly to Katie for how badly he treated her. 5 years (4 married) of that level of domestic abuse putting her down constantly will have taken a toll.

I am not a Katie fan at all but I do feel sorry for her and exasperated at the continual bad decisions she makes

does no one seem to care that KP has a conviction for harrassment of another woman - her ex husbands new girlfriend and is repeatedly breaching the restraining order and continuing to harrass her?

I used to like them both but KP has just gone off the rails. PA may have done very well out of his nice guy persona but i imagine work wise he is in a long run of pleasant men on tv (Rylan/Craig phillips/Dermot) who can be relied upon to turn up, be pleasant and grateful for the work and just get on with a job without much drama - a safe pair of hands.

I have no idea why Peter has so many fans, he is sleazy. I do not like him as a person at all. I think he is a better father than he is a husband but he should be living with his own responsibility for what he did to Katie in terms of emotional abuse, when she clearly had post natal depression. I think Emily has stronger boundaries from having a more stable upbringing and Katie had a lot of childhood trauma, and probably doesn’t tolerate his shit behaviour. Katie is not really sure what love actually is and clings onto men who she thinks will give her a fantasy happily ever after. That doesn’t excuse her own decisions to break the law and neglect her children

I don't think she knows how to live a life that isn't public.

She's a deeply unhappy woman and her behaviour is all about the next fix of feeling happy.

It's like any addiction. She can do it when supported but without the support she relapses. In her case now it's immediately.

I remember watching this and found Peter to be very arrogant especially at the beginning the way he spoke about Matt Willis. Extremely unprofessional as the interviewer.

I agree with you OP. I didn't watch it at the time but remember the press stories that were all Team Pete and how 'awful' Katie was. Have gone back and watched some of it and you're spot on. It very much shows that Pete was a domestic abuser, his behaviour and the way he spoke to her was despicable.
They weren't good together.

Katie is a mess right now and has been for a few years with what appears to be a serious alcohol problem. People are sympathetic to Johnny Depps drug and alcohol problem and can see he was also a victim of DA but can't see same for Katie Price. It's not unusual for a DA victim to use alcohol to numb and cope. Her mother is terminally ill and Katie has been lambasted in the press. She seems desperate to escape her troubles and for love - I hope she gets proper useful help.

I don't think any of us can truly know what went on behind the scenes but Peter Andre certainly doesn't come across well and that is how he acted in public on camera.

She can chose to leave the public eye at any time. It's not like the paparazzi are hunting her down anymore. All the pictures you see in the papers are mainly from one picture agency "backgrid" this is an agency where the celeb either takes the pictures themselves or they take a cut of the photographers earnings from the pictures if they don't take them themselves. All the pictures are highly edited and filtered (you can tell from how she looks in them, compared to real pap shots) and she has final say on the pictures sold. She is choosing this life, she cannot live without the fame (or infamy now) and she could say no at any time but she doesn't.

Gonna** I don't doubt that in a one to one, away from the camera situation she isn't lovely and nice to chat to.

I just think that when you have kids and make decisions knowing your actions could hurt or kill another person the buck stops with you and others shouldn't excuse future bad decisions. You make it your life's mission to step away from the cameras and get better for the sake of your kids.

Loving your kids isn't enough.

I’ve always like KP and had watched her tv shows from the beginning but sadly it’s pretty obvious she has many, many issues which haven’t been addressed and she is desperate for a loving relationship. Her friends on the shows often tell her that she needs an older, more ‘ordinary’ man but she is obviously drawn (because of her past traumas) to toxic, narcissistic, fame hungry men. Her family and friends see it, we all see it but often with people who have these traumas from early life, she just can not.
I really feel for her, she has had such a shit time, her life really is a car crash at times. But no one can take away the connection she has with lovely Harvey, you can tell he trusts her implicitly.
I always thought I liked Peter and everyone says he is super nice but there is something ‘off’ about him which you can’t quite put your finger on, I mean, can anyone really be that lovely and friendly all the time?
He is obviously very well managed, Claire comes across as an absolute pit bull of a woman!
We obviously only see what is edited, most of us don’t know these people in real life but what I do hope is for Katie to find some kind of peace, eventually meet someone who will love her for her and she can live her life out (hopefully), away from the public eye and to realise that her sexuality and the way she looks/dresses does not make her who she is, that she is more than that.

Yes I’ve read about them, it’s quite interesting. Not KP but reality shows altogether. I talk to DD10 about it a lot as she loves reality dance shows like Dance Moms, cheer shows etc. I often tell her all about how producers will tell people to say something really goading and then the cast aren’t allowed to explain that they’ve said it because of the producers, and how it’s done to stir up drama and ‘excitement.’ I do think reality shows and ‘celeb’ culture can be so toxic.

There was a thread not too long ago on here about Big Brother too. How damaging that was in the beginning before it became a bunch of influencers in there. Of course it’s now equally damaging but in a different way.

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Agree with this but do not forget she is in the public eye all of the time. Being watched constantly must be draining

This. There should be a special place in Hell reserved for men who piggyback on their partner's careers, then berate and abuse them for it. Misogynism (sp) at its worst.

I've never liked PA - I'm old enough to remember the posing and overly sexualised version of the late 90's, as well as the need to get his "career" back on track in the mid 00's. I've always felt he put on a false persona and behind closed doors, was probably an arsehole - but I have nothing to corroborate that and haven't seen any of the docuseries with him and KP because it's never been my thing.

I do however come from experience where I've been emotionally abused for years and subsequently painted as the terrible, unstable and irrational one when my ex swanned off with a new girlfriend and portrays this idyllic, perfect new relationship/ability to suddenly be a parent to our son, all the while continuing to abuse me behind closed doors via the only method of communication he has left open to him. It's fucking tough and KP has endured years of this from PA - both within the relationship, the PR stunt afterwards and continued thinly veiled comments about her since.

My thoughts on KP are mixed - I think she has very clear mental health problems stemming from a number of traumatic experiences, but this doesn't exonerate her very public, very clear abusive tendencies to other people - her ex (revenge porn), shouting at school gates, harassing an ex girlfriend of her partner. Mental health isn't a competition as to who has it worse - I've had pretty bad breakdowns in the past but have always been able to put my child first in spite of how I'm feeling. It's hard not to judge the repeated mistakes KP has made despite the abundance of mental health resources she has had at her disposal.

ItsSnowJokes He had a career in the 90s hence why he was on I'm a Celeb. Now he is appearing in the west end. So you can't say he made his career from divorcing KP.

His career was dead before he resurrected it by marrying KP. I can never understand, given all his remarks about how he hated what she did for a living, her lifestyle, her appearance, etc, why he married her. Its not as if she hid what she was. I would be very suspicous that he tagged himself to her considerable fame because he knew that would boost his career, and then ditched her when he no longer needed her for that.

Poor Emily. I don't think anyone really envies you your choice of husband.

I love Katie, my eldest son is very similar to Harvey and I love their relationship .

I’ve seen several clips of him being an arse to her although I doubt she wasn’t entirely blameless. I went off him completely when he got together with Emily, she’s a lot younger than him and she was very young when they got together.

however I didn’t know them personally, and obviously alot of what is printed is utter rubbish.