To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

IMO Peter Andre is only beaten by Phillip Schofield in the PR stakes. Anything to portray the perfect image. I don't think KP could live up to that perfection and so she was made to look like the bad one and then cut out - typical narc behaviour.

She actually hands him entire cakes to eat by himself. There is a difference between managing a disorder that has an insatiable appetite and behavioural difficulties and filming content for your brand giving them a family sized cake to eat, or a double sized portion of chips. Surely the first stage of managing such a condition is managing their caloric intake and avoiding sugary, high fat foods?

I recall thinking how abusive PA was at the time the show was aired. I remember thinking that in other series she had seemed to not like him much but then in the last series the tables turned and he seemed to despise her.

I also remember in one show he picked a row with her right before she was due to go on live TV and there then joint manager Claire saying to her that he always did that, ie caused an argument to upset her before a TV appearance.

I think KP is a mess and her own worst enemy. Wasn’t she sexually abused as a child? It strikes me that she is desperate to be loved but can only see that she has any value because of her sexuality.

i haven’t followed this much at all but did he do well in the divorce? It’s actually hard to earn the lifestyle he has - private schools (x4), top cars, huge house which must need gardeners and cleaners at a minimum, contribution to street security. I’d say £500k+ a year to maintain that lifestyle. He was popular but never stratospheric, tours barely break even..
To me it looks like he got a great divorce deal and had help in investing it wisely. It also seemed to be the start of her financial worries.

Do you have experience of autism and Prader-Willi syndrome, particularly how they affect eating?

I've seen this before and pretty sure that video of them singing without the auto tune is a spoof - they've deliberately used someone singing out of tune and put it on to make it sound like KP (or so my DS tells me!)

@TruJay

”she’s a bloody good mum”

You must have a very low bar. She’s a very troubled woman who consistently makes very poor choices and that has greatly affected her ability to parent (as agreed by the courts and SS). Peter Andre was not husband of the year by any stretch but that doesn’t automatically make her an angel.

On Peter’s reality show with Emily there was an episode where they are both with the kids and she says it’s nice to have him doing stuff as usually she is on her own doing it all. Thought that was strange and doesn’t fit with the narrative he tries to run. It’s always struck me as a very strange relationship. I mean surely she has friends her own age - they met when she was at uni - and wouldn’t he stick out as middle aged compared to them and a bit cheesy? It seems v odd.

I’m not sure about this, although it’s too hard to really comment on. She has set no boundaries with food and allows him and encourages him to eat a truly terrible diet. It’s obvious she really loves him and they are very close but I question some of the choices around harvey over the years. Calling at least 4 men daddy and putting herself in situations where she could go to prison, and Harvey would be without her? That’s what I really don’t understand

No.

Harvey went to a Monday-Friday residential school like many profoundly disabled children do.

He is now an adult and has supported independent living/college like many people with his circumstances do.

her questionable relationship decisions aside, she has done a great job with Harvey.

@ReneBumsWombats well I don't know much about singing and didn't want to be rude as I've no clue 😂😂

Is that the real reason Harvey went to college then,cause he was around him.
Makes you wonder about all the "mishaps" she's had while with him.

There’s another clip where he’s with his new wife. Announcing he’s taking her away somewhere on holiday. She mentions she’s already been there and he. Is. FURIOUS. He blames her for spoiling the surprise and displays every abusive and narcissistic trait one after the other in the space of 7 minutes

so yeah. Disgusting little man and still is

You listened to that first one and think Price can sing?

I think I recall that brother was involved in her money mismanagement situation. Anyway no he doesn’t work for her anymore and she’s bankrupt. I don’t recall seeing him in any family photos for a while now either.

clare is friends with Pete and Kieran

It doesn’t help that people only support you to earn money from you. Seems like now she is broke she has very few friends around. Unfortunately I think she used to kid herself it was a true friendship and then later find out it wasn’t. So now she trusts no one apart from the truly awful man she is with now who has isolated her from almost everyone else in her life (including kids)
I can’t see it ending well for her she seems to be picking up speed of disasters

Is he still being managed by that Claire? Don't trust her either.

I know her mum stepdad brother and sister seem down to earth . I think she went into business with her brother and he managed her. Not heard of him in her recent programmes. Wonder why?

I’ve always liked Katie, she’s a bloody good mum

You really think she sets a good example to her kids with all the stupid shit she does

#deluded

I have never subscribed to the cult of saint peter.

there’s always been a lot of people on MN that had him read and it was discussed lots on here over the years.

KP is a complicated damaged person. She does herself no favours and I admit to judging her in the way she has men around her children. That said, I still view her as the victim.

PA is a massive arse.

the things he said on camera about her, nasty, embarrassing misogynistic things about her body were vile and it says everything about the patriarchal society we live in that not only was he not challenged on any of it, but everyone else joined in.

unsurprising that KP has a diagnosis of PTSD.

I think she's one of the earliest victims of reality TV.

The damage caused by living out your life in front of the cameras.

There was no support back then. No #behind.

She was the biggest thing in the UK then fell out of favour. And has been trying to claw that back ever since.

It must be deadly for your mental health.

I cannot sing and they both can but if they were on BGT I don't think they would get through.

I've just found a YouTube of KP and PA singing a Whole New World without Auto Tune. I never knew this was a thing.

I then searched for the tv version:

So did the audience actually hear the first version or is it to do with the microphones lol?

They were both equally toxic people to each other that was evident to see. However Peter has gone on to have what appears a successful stable marriage. Katie price has had mutilple failed marriages, arrests for drink driving and harassing his ex and his new partner and recently done it again. Katie price is by no means innocent. She is however a very damaged individual who desperately needs help.

I just remember what I have read and watched and then later, someone I know who knows her.
katie had a boyfriend when she went into the jungle and Pete was an insecure person. They both decided to monetise their relationship and there were plenty of other awful moments on camera on her TV shows when she was with Kieran and Kris where she is humiliating them and treating them badly. I will never buy that Pete is any kind of victim but she was actually found guilty of revenge porn against Alex Reid and still owes him £25k in damages

I confess to having a bit of a soft spot for KP. Even though she makes terrible decisions. I feel, with her, what you see is what you get and she's honest about her life.

I find Emily and Pete very smug. I'm not entirely convinced by their holier than though attitude either.

Aren't they both as bad as each other?