To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

You can't trust anything that's filmed - people put on an act for the cameras. What is clear is she a very troubled woman now.

Not entirely true.
I worked with her father, he introduced them at her request. He did not encourage the relationship.

I think they're both awful. I really do feel sorry for their children, being rolled out and used to generate sympathy and likes. Pete doing his perfect dad and husband routine and Katie encouraging Princess to be a mini me, then using Harvey for sympathy when she fucks up AGAIN.

Whatever Katie Price is or isn't. It doesn't take away the fact that Peter Andre is a lying, manipulative, abusing creep.

She might be a mess, a druggie, a criminal and more but she took 100% of the blame and the public hatred and misogyny while Peter Andre carved himself a nice little career as a saint all off the back of Katie Price and her misery.

He used her to get his name back in the public eye, he gladly contributed to her downfall and now he has his young wife and their squeaky clean saintly image but he is a horrible, creepy, spiteful little man.

His father paid Katie Price's mum a minimum of 35k a year to be his carer, as he was mostly brought up by his Nan when he was younger. Then nannies. All this bullshit of she has brought him up singlehandedly is so wrong. She has never brought him up on her own.

She buggered off when he was just weeks old for weeks on end so she could go to the playboy mansion.

He was always going to go to residential I don’t think he’s been removed from her, no. The others she agreed to live with their dads near their schools when she was caught on tape taking cocaine and it all blew up in the media. She was getting herself sorted out. She then was seeing them frequently until she got involved with her absolutely awful boyfriend and now she has very restricted access after a serious of very serious events

I didn't really watch the show, but I've never fallen for his Nice Guy Peter act.

Harvey was the last to go as he is clearly more difficult to place and has no father to take him

that is categorically untrue.

She has made some poor choices absolutely but the parent she has been to Harvey, single handedly, is a good one. Whereas his dad completely abandoned all responsibility.

My children have similar disabilities and when I’ve watched her with Harvey, I can totally relate to the circumstances and her interaction with him. It’s a difficult life and she’s devoted to him.

No one actually knows her except those closest, we only know what is fed to us by the media and by people who benefit from her being made out to be this terrible person.

It’s also ok to disagree with me without throwing insults at me and my so called ‘low bar’.

I don't think you can judge either of them in that relationship based on record docusoap footage.
KP needs help, she's going to end up in prison if she carries on the way she has been

It’s not crock to see the bigger picture of how someone ended up where they did.

I don’t get why her brother stopped looking after her money

What an absolute crock.

She's a disgrace of a human being who has lost custody of her kids.

Fucking hell, there are some low bars on here.

What you see is Katie gets a lot of self gratification from Harvey, it makes her feel good secure and loved. The other kids she is very matey with in a way of banter and not as nurturing and affectionate it’s a different set up

I do know someone who knows her but yes my info is 2nd hand I never said it wasn’t? Actually the person I know also felt sorry for her and liked her a lot, then was turned on by Katie. There are 2 sides to that story too rightly or wrongly Katie has got a lot of issues and no intention of getting the right kind of help she would benefit from. The main knowledge I have is that she is in total denial about her money issues and blaming everyone else and won’t take any responsibly for any of her own actions.

her questionable relationship decisions aside, she has done a great job with Harvey.

I use to agree with this although suspected she had far more help than the average send family.

However I'm disgusted lately with how she takes him from that safe and supportive environment into nightclubs for meet and greets. There is absolutely no way he is competent enough to fully consent to that and it's definitely about making money for her and not him.

His living costs are paid for and he'll also get full rate PIP.

I think this has been fairly well documented.

Katie accused Peter of having an affair but was basically having an affair herself which resulted in an abortion. There is a possibility it was Peters baby, but who knows.

Her children have (all) been removed from her and she only has supervised access. Harvey was the last to go as he is clearly more difficult to place and has no father to take him. She is no "good mum" currently. She does appear to be a good mum when not on drugs and with unsuitable men, but the fact SS have removed the kids speaks for itself.

Peter Andre may not have been an angel, but Katie is the one who cannot stay in a relationship. Their relationship was already going very bad when those rows were filmed.

Emily's father introduced her to Peter, and as he knew him well one assumes he is not generally an abusive arsehole, but probably Katie brought out the worst in him.

Katie's current male pal is a user who is verbally abusive and physically abusive and banned from seeing the kids, yet she is still hanging on to him.

She has documented long term issues with alcohol and drugs.

She is very close to being sent to prison for various drug and alcohol related crimes, and is clearly not currently abstaining from drugs.

All in all I think the person starting this thread is a last ditch effort from her PR to try to paint her as an abused woman, which I'm not at all sure fits the bill...

They're both fucking awful. If she wasn't KP, she'd be in prison. Just hope she doesn't end up killing someone.

Katie is extremely vulnerable and on a bit of a spiral. I have always thought her completely honest and heart on her sleeve. When she was in the jungle she came across as a lovely person who wasn’t the person she normally portraits. Her demons are with her and have been for a while. I really hope she comes out of it the other end as it is very sad to watch her downhill trend. I have met PA as he lived close by and he was always a pleasant guy. So no real comment on him. Katie needs help and I hope she gets it.

Of course you do.

And even taking you at your word, YOU don’t … so all your “information” is 2nd hand and means absolutely fuck all. You still don’t know them personally and what they’re actually like.

Exactly. Just because he was abusive to her doesn’t mean she isn’t a grade A arsehole. There’s only so much sympathy people can have for people like her and she needs to take some responsibility for her actions, no matter how messed up her childhood was or her mental health issues are. It’s not an excuse.

Plus on a TV show they have a vested interest in showing her being lovey with the child who has profound disabilities because it sets up a narrative/softens her as a character etc. It’s no real view into someone’s feelings or their life. Maybe she thought ‘I better look after Harvey a bit extra since Junior and Princess have their dad.’ Imagine if she hadn’t? ‘Ooh Katie’s ignoring poor Harvey who has nobody so she can cosy up with her new family she’s sooooo awful.’

I wouldn’t really say she loves Harvey more than her other kids. It’s pure speculation and a bit mean. Think of it the other way - many of us mums with one child who has extra needs might feel we need to do more for that child. To ‘make it up’ to them because they’ve got things so hard. And Harvey has profound disabilities, plus no dad. She’s all he has.

I thought it was his fault at the time. I remember thinking how he must have an amazing PR team as everyone seemed to be team Pete with Katie getting all the blame.

No I do know someone who knows her