To only just realise it was Peter Andre in the wrong not Katie P!

Not only that, but they were frequently planned out in advance and situations were highly engineered. They were usually more like semi-improvised drama, with absolutely no regard for the wellbeing of the cast.

I'm so glad it's at the end. 20 years of exploitative shite.

All these 'reality' shows are heavily edited. It's whatever the producers want you to see. I haven't watched so can't comment on the content, but looking at their lives post divorce, not sure Katie is the one I'd be rooting for.

He had a career in the 90s hence why he was on I'm a Celeb. Now he is appearing in the west end. So you can't say he made his career from divorcing KP.

I also ask who is the one from that marriage who has over 12 criminal convictions? Who is the one who now has full custody of the children? Who is the one who compared to KP has remained silent on a lot of what she has spouted over the years, including online attacks on his wife (while campaigning against online trolls, oh the irony).

Who is the one who publicly compared one of her ex husbands to Jimmy Saville on her Instagram with unfounded allegations that the police have taken no action on?

He's such a creep. Imagine being married to a man who has made a career out of divorcing his former wife, continually sniping at himself and making himself out to be a victim years later.

What else does he do to earn money? Does he have any other income streams?

That's funny you say that because I remember her talking to him like he was a piece of shit on a chat show once, and she used to order him round like he was a servant

The interview I saw was with Holly & Phil IIRC. On that one, there was obviously marital tension, which was inappropriate to play out in public. What I did think was disgusting was him sharing really personal information to shame her. I know she is her own worst enemy, but he was being a cunt, and I've thought if he can do that in public, in private one can only imagine.

The above bolded post is victim blaming IMO.

I always thought Peter came across as a cocky big head "ohh everyone look at me and my family and my mansion, I can sing" he always loved being the centre of attention people taking photos just look at k&p the next chapter, he was definitely abusive to her.

It was basically a backhand dig at KP for not breastfeeding. Gushing about how Emily was thing to do it all properly.

The baby wasn't born yet and it was a huge amount of pressure to put on his new wife, all in the name of having a pop at his old one.

Maybe because she has so many blokes ?

I have always thought Peter Andre is a horrible little man and you can see right through his 'goofy' act because he tries too hard to be nice. Does anyone remember '60 second makeover' when he tried to be 'Norman Wisdom'. YUK !

Kate picks men who abuse her. She is one of life's victims. She undervalues herself and thinks she needs some guy to make her confident and special, when she is special all on her own.

Look how Andre repaid her when she rescued him from near obscurity.

Her mum was the one that pushed her into page 3. She then tried the same with her sister. She basically pimped her out from a young age. The mum needs to take a lot of the responsibility of how she has turned out. However, KP needs to take a lot of the responsibility. She has had weeks and weeks (allegedly) in the Priory. Is able to have top notch treatment for her issues and yet nothing ever changes. She doesn't want to change, she loves and lives for the drama. She cannot stand to not see herself in the media. She is entirely selfish and doesn't care who she may hurt (as evidenced by the amount of driving convictions she has) as long as she gets to do what she wants.

He wanted to experience breastfeeding?

Two sides to every argument. Can't believe how many are so quick to takes sides when the have only seen an edited version of an arguement.

I remember the exact moment it dawned on me that he's a cunt.

Emily was pregnant and he was doing an interview. He said how much he was looking forward to experiencing breastfeeding.

He said it on such a way it was obvious he was trying to have a pop at KP. He managed to put a huge amount of pressure on Emily at the same time.

Orange twat.

But those episodes are edited television. And a profoundly disabled child in meltdown is nothing like a NT toddler having a wobbly. Making reductive comments like ‘she loves Harvey better than the others’ is reductive and based on edited footage and a limited view of a family you really know little about.

Me neither! I recall when he first came on the music scene and he seemed quite vain and selfish. Might have even met him once when I was out!

I think Katie needs lots of therapy and even then, she's gone so far down the route of drama, bad publicity etc that I don't think she'd know how behave normally and not attention seek.

A friend of mine met her years ago in a quiet gay pub on the Brighton Road (when she was famous as Jordan) and said she was lovely, nothing like her loud persona.

Yes it is.

I'm a bit older than some here (50) but recall when Katie was Jordan and had interviews and research done as to when she started out as a teenager glamour modelling. There was someone who'd raped her I believe as a teenager and then afterwards it came out she was sexually abused at 7. She said that both of this led to her dressing provocatively and becoming a glamour model. However, I do wonder at her parents knowing about this or not and if so encouraging her to dress provocatively and become a glamour model. (repeating myself a bit there!).

It's a very, very low bar isn't it?

All of it.

Harvey was at a weekday residential SEN school for years and was always going to go into a supported living/residential college set up once he became an adult.

But he had 24/7 carers when he was living in the community, so she was not having to look after him alone. He lived independently from her for a little while but it’s not an enriched life for him like it is in residential where he can be around other people and learn life skills. Residential is not a punishment for Katie or Harvey it’s the right place for him to be

I think it's clear KP has many issues which stem from her early career if basically being a sex object and abuse she experienced. This can - but won't always - massively influence a persons life trajectory.

But her driving offences are unforgivable and it's not acceptable to just shrug it off as being part of her issues. Otherwise where does it stop? Because if you follow this to it's natural conclusion, if god forbid she ever badly injures or kill's someone then you have to excuse that too.

It's really not right and she needs to be accountable

Which bit?

Dwight Yorke clearly doesn't want him. So he has no father to take him.

The two youngest are permanently with their father
Princess and Junior are permanently with their father
Harvey is now in residential collage.

Clearly it is an assumption but SS wouldn't leave a very vulnerable adult in the care of someone whose children have been removed surely? Katie may have had him placed there, but she is very clearly not in a fit state at the moment to care for him.

I think she's neurodiverse herself. It would explain a lot of her behaviours, relationship issues and impulsiveness . She needs help but won't take any as there will be full denial of a problem existing it's always someone else's fault and likely she'll feel insulted at the suggestion - it's difficult to watch someone you love self destruct I've been there and lived that life.

I agree PA is a dick but they prob bought the worst out in each other.

Apologies, previous answer was in response to this

It's the same with her most recent husband Kieran Hayler, he used her for money and to make a name for himself. Cheated on her then shacked up with one of the school mums. Now they're all smug z lost celebs again off the back of KP.

I'm not condoning KPs actions. She could have some really well for herself but instead she's home from disaster to disaster.

But I think pretty much all of her boyfriends and husbands have used her and the way they then get treated like they can do no wrong is just sickening.