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I was really rude and possibly discriminatory to my boss. What should I do?

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Iottie · 27/06/2022 10:57

NC.

I was in our Monday team zoom meeting. We somehow got onto the Roe v Wade ruling.

My boss is extremely right wing. He was saying how he supported the ruling, it should have never been made in the first place, life begins at conception, bla bla bla etc.

I am the only woman on the team and I was getting more and more irate. I blurted out something I probably shouldn’t have. I can’t remember exactly but it was something along the lines of:

“Well, what’s it to you? You’re a gay man so it has no bearing on you whatsoever but it is going to impact millions of often poor and vulnerable women. Men should have no say over women’s bodies.”

There was a really awkward silence before we moved onto another topic.

Right, so I could have been more polite and nuanced in my point, but now I am terrified I discriminated against him by referencing his sexuality.

I know I really shouldn’t have mentioned it - I could have said the same thing without bringing it up but I just got more and more wound up by a bunch of men agreeing with each other instigated by him.

As I mentioned my boss is really right wing so I don’t think he’d report me for being discriminatory as he calls diversity and inclusion bollocks anyway. But if he does I know I could be in big trouble.

What do I do? I don’t know if I should message him apologising but that might just bring more attention to it…?

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Turnthatoff · 27/06/2022 11:59

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:21

Rubbish. What if the surrogate suddenly decides to abort?

She'd obviously have every right to do that despite promising to have a baby for the gay couple.

It's so dismissive to claim abortion can never affect gay men.

I’d be dismissive of that situation, too. Because it would be in vanishingly rare circumstances. I’m sure someone will start Googling to find such a case, but, yeah…literally couldn’t give less of a shit.

Amyrosa · 27/06/2022 11:59

I wouldnt be remotely offended if I was preaching about my views on gay rights, say for example gay marriage, saying I thought it was wrong (I dont at all btw) and someone said to me why do you have that view though when it is unlikely to affect you as a straight woman?

I also think the fact you was in a room full of men agreeing with him is horrendous and they should be ashamed of themselves. Even if that is their views keep it out the work place.

BigFatLiar · 27/06/2022 11:58

I'd let it go. If you're used to talking political issues then of course he's entitled to his opinion and its going to be based on his beliefs. You're entitled to your opinion and its based on your belief. It doesn't matter that he's a man so doesn't have the problem of unwanted pregnancy but it doesn't mean he doesn't get to state his view.

I'm not affected by the HS2 works but I'm still allowed an opinion. To say that someone isn't entitled to give an opinion because it doesn't directly affect you really limits your options.

SoftSheen · 27/06/2022 11:58

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:55

It would be disingenuous to pretend that a gay man is as likely to be impacted by an unwanted pregnancy as either a woman or a straight/bisexual man.

Not being as likely doesn't make any difference here. The OP's language was still discriminatory.

She brought up his sexuality and basically told him his opinion counts for zero because he's gay.

Except she didn't say that. And actually yes, the opinions that should count most are those belonging to the people most affected.

Dirtylittleroses · 27/06/2022 11:57

The bottom line is no one has a say on another persons body. It doesn’t matter if you’re male female gay straight, bi, black, white anything. If you need to use someone’s personal make up to silence them then you’ve lost the argument and you do other women no favours.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 27/06/2022 11:57

I wouldn't apologise. What you said was true. I doubt he'll take if further, but if he does I would claim that he was discriminating against you and your female sex by advocating the rolling-back of women's reproductive rights.

Tandora · 27/06/2022 11:57

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:10

It’s offensive to mention his sexuality where it has no relevance, but in this case it does as means that abortion has no relevance to him whatsoever.

But gay men can and do become fathers by using surrogates (a whole other contentious issue), so in that sense it could affect him in the same way it could if he was straight.

A gay man is unlikely to accidentally/ unintentionally get a surrogate pregnant though 😂🙄.

I don’t think you said anything wrong OP. I do think being gay means he has less of a stake in this issue, therefore it was a relevant comment.

Merryclaire · 27/06/2022 11:57

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:53

@Merryclaire that doesn't make what the OP said any less discriminatory.

We will have to agree to disagree, but at the end of the day she learned her lesson not to let emotions get the better of her and will unlikely say anything like that again.

His behaviour was much worse - plus he also stated he doesn’t care about being PC etc - so can’t see how it will go any further without him getting in more trouble than OP.

SoftSheen · 27/06/2022 11:55

WinterDeWinter · 27/06/2022 11:52

Discriminatory is treating someone unfairly. It's not unfair to point out that a gay man will never be impacted by abortion law.

There's harassment which is a different thing - intending to cause distress or alarm.

You did neither, absolutely do not worry on those grounds. He may have it in for you now though, just because you bested him. Depending on your relationship I might think about apologising for 'responding to your views on women's rights more heatedly than I would have wished' or similar.

Don't apologise. It was a frank exchange of views, which he initiated.

WinterDeWinter · 27/06/2022 11:55

Just noting - you didn't say you have no say, which would be an opinion, you said it has no bearing/won't impact you. That is a straightforward fact. His sexuality is relevant because it won't impact him via a female partner.

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:55

It would be disingenuous to pretend that a gay man is as likely to be impacted by an unwanted pregnancy as either a woman or a straight/bisexual man.

Not being as likely doesn't make any difference here. The OP's language was still discriminatory.

She brought up his sexuality and basically told him his opinion counts for zero because he's gay.

NewbieSM · 27/06/2022 11:54

Nope, don't apologise, no one wants to listen to him spout his offensive right wing views in a work meeting. Giving him a slap down in front of colleagues was entirely appropriate after all as your boss he sets the tone of the meeting. If he strongly believes in free speech then he shouldn't have a problem with you also exercising that right.

LuckySantangelo35 · 27/06/2022 11:54

Dirtylittleroses · 27/06/2022 11:07

I think it’s clear op and you knew it this would bring the cheerleaders out.

the reality is if this is true yes you behaved terribly and it warrants disciplinary. You do not silence people due to their sexuality, gender, ethnicity or any other reason

@Dirtylittleroses

she didn’t behave terribly but he did

Turnthatoff · 27/06/2022 11:54

i don’t agree it’s as relevant to gay men at all. I’d stand by your comments, OP. well done.

OhTheLeetleHandsAndFeetle · 27/06/2022 11:54

IncompleteSenten · 27/06/2022 11:02

I would not apologise.
If he says anything. Stand by what you said.
You were correct.

This.

Merryclaire · 27/06/2022 11:53

@Hotchox completely agree - I find the whole idea of being gay but really right wing hard to get my head round.

Being part of a group that has had to fight for their own rights usually makes people a bit more sympathetic and open minded.

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:53

@Merryclaire that doesn't make what the OP said any less discriminatory.

SoftSheen · 27/06/2022 11:52

This wasn't an appropriate workplace discussion and personally I wouldn't have got involved at all.

Whilst it was probably unwise to reference his sexuality, I don't think what you said was discriminatory. It would be disingenuous to pretend that a gay man is as likely to be impacted by an unwanted pregnancy as either a woman or a straight/bisexual man.

WinterDeWinter · 27/06/2022 11:52

Discriminatory is treating someone unfairly. It's not unfair to point out that a gay man will never be impacted by abortion law.

There's harassment which is a different thing - intending to cause distress or alarm.

You did neither, absolutely do not worry on those grounds. He may have it in for you now though, just because you bested him. Depending on your relationship I might think about apologising for 'responding to your views on women's rights more heatedly than I would have wished' or similar.

Sandra1984 · 27/06/2022 11:52

Well... the right wing has a very strong opinion on LGBT rights and not only they believe that life starts at conception but that god created marriage to happen between a man and a woman. A gay man voting for right wing is a bit like a black man joining the kkk. You basically vote for a political ideology that sees you as a loser person with little rights due to your sexual orientation.

This said your boss has no business in using a work meeting to voice his political ideology, not only it's not the place forte but your employees might have a different one (most probably). He knows he can get away with it because he's the boss.

What a lovely guy to work for. A visit to HR is not a bad idea.

Merryclaire · 27/06/2022 11:49

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:45

A surrogate would be unlikely to insist on a termination though.

Yes, unlikely but not impossible. Therefore the OP was wrong to discriminate.

In this day and age it’s more likely the surrogate is subject to a contract where the ‘parents’ can force her to abort if there is an issue with the baby, or prevent her from doing so if she is unwell.

GCAcademic · 27/06/2022 11:45

What reasoning does a gay man have for being anti choice other than just being a cunt?

There are a number of gay men who have been very loudly campaigning to reduce regulation around surrogacy so that it is easier for them to have a family. I’d imagine that the inevitable outcome of banning abortion, i.e., more babies available for adoption, is also going to be welcome news to some (not all) of these campaigners.

NippyWoowoo · 27/06/2022 11:45

Iottie · 27/06/2022 11:06

@VerifiedBot2351 By specifically mentioning his sexuality I worry it might be…

It implies he has less of a say just because of his sexuality (which tbh I stand by - it literally has zero impact on him. At least some other guys could say if it involves their baby it does impact them).

Nope. A straight man still doesn't get to dictate whether or not a woman aborts his child.

TeapotTitties · 27/06/2022 11:45

A surrogate would be unlikely to insist on a termination though.

Yes, unlikely but not impossible. Therefore the OP was wrong to discriminate.

NippyWoowoo · 27/06/2022 11:43

I think saying that he is a man and has no say is enough, no need to bring up his sexuality. Straight men have no more of a say? The irony is it's mostly heterosexual men making these laws anyway

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