To ask if Co-Ed is better than single sex..

@Fairislefandango

Yes, I must have missed it, I've not heard of it.

I'm not sure how it would change my own experience either?

I'm not denying it's an issue. It clearly is. But it needs addressed on a societal level in a way that actually tackles it.

Especially for the girls who's parents can't by their way out of it for a few hours a day.

"Did you miss the whole 'Everyone's Invited' thing? Maybe check out the website - it's full of victins of rape and sexual assault telling their stories. Mostly girls who were assaulted in schools. As for misogynistic language and sexual harrassment- that is utterly commonplace in schools.'

But this poster was talking about her own experience. Are you saying that because of the existence of Everyone's Invited, nobody should be able to report that their own experience is different from that?

@RenegadeMatron

Its clearly not.

It helps a select few only.

Ss is not to the answer to male sexual harassment

It absolutely IS the answer to avoiding it while at school - and learning.

Fortunately.

I cant say that I've heard any of my peers discussing sexual harassment of their daughters during school hours being a huge issue.

Did you miss the whole 'Everyone's Invited' thing? Maybe check out the website - it's full of victins of rape and sexual assault telling their stories. Mostly girls who were assaulted in schools. As for misogynistic language and sexual harrassment- that is utterly commonplace in schools.

Because either all girls have access to safe schools (whether through changing the way we socialise boys or through SS education) or none do. It isn't acceptable for some to have the option but not others. And it will always be those who do not have money who get hit - because moving to a suitable area is also about having money

So... because not all girls can go to a ss school (and indeed many don't want to), you think nobody should be allowed to? Not even girls whose local comprehensive is ss and therefore doesn't require them to have money? Sorry, but we can only work with the system we have. Everyone is entitled to do their best for their children by sending them to the school which best suits their needs. Societal change takes a long time. So does changing the school system. You can't expect parents to deliberately choose not to send their children to the school they think will be best for them!

@RenegadeMatron

Who said anything about a race to the bottom?

In my country there are no state ss schools and iirc only 2 private ones

Ss is not to the answer to male sexual harassment

Unfortunately

So let’s doing nothing then, and race to the bottom.

In my city, there are:

• six single sex girls’ schools
• three single sex boys’ schools
• two co-ed schools (one of which my DS goes to, and which was single sex (boys) up until three years ago).

It doesn’t fix the problem - but it absolutely gives girls a respite from it while they’re young and engaging in the small matter of learning.

And the co-ed schools are there for those who’d prefer them.

@RenegadeMatron

It only helps that small proportion for that time they are in school. And only those girls

And if we increase ss girls school we have to increase ss boys schools

Making the overall problem worse

If there were more single sex schools, so that more people could choose them, it would absolutely help girls to be able to learn in an environment away from continual low (and high) level sexual assault.

As we can see from this thread though - not everyone wants that.

@RenegadeMatron

No, if people want to choose ss they should

But they shouldn't pretend its helping the problem

@RenegadeMatron

Yes, in context of the conversation of girls in mixed sex schools being sexually assaulted I asked how does single sex schools help.

I meant help them which I clarified and you repeated again, yes absolutely.

It doesn't.

There are no ss state schools here so it's not a choice open to many at all.

To be honest, I’m not really sure what you’re asking or suggesting.

I am guessing that you seem to think that because not everyone can choose single sex, those who can should opt out, and they should all sit empty.

Not going to happen.

@Topgub - no you didn’t.

Go back and read your post.

You asked ‘how does single sex help?’

You didn’t ask ‘how does single sex help girls in mixed schools?’

Single sex schools provide girls who go to them respite for the hours while they’re there learning.

It’s a choice open to many, just as mixed is also a choice open to many (and that many take).

@RenegadeMatron

I asked how it helps the girls in mixed sex schools

You said it did. So how does it help?

How does it help for those who don't have a choice?

How does it help on a societal level?

@Whatwouldscullydo

How is the lack of choices people's fault?

I said single sex absolutely helps, not that it helps girls in mixed schools.

How does single sex not help?

If the choice is there, for those who wish to make it, single sex absolutely 100% helps.

This! 100%

It doesn’t help girls who go to coed schools. But most people will not be able to help those girls in the short 5 year window between primary and gcse. Change takes time and 1 person making an effort is not likely to change things. So what should people do if they are faced with a bad school in their area. Well they could send their kid there on principle. Or they could send their kid to a different school (private or state) or move area or home ed. if there was a school where there was a problem with sexual harassment (not all co-ed schools), I wouldn’t send my kid there if I had other options - but I know that parents are unlikely to hear about it until their kid gets there.

Such a good question to read everyone’s views. I went to a co-Ed and find it impossible to even imagine going to a single sex school, so it’s really hard to make any kind of comparison between one thing I’ve experienced and the other I can only guess about.

@RenegadeMatron

No one asking you to apologise.

But you said ss absolutely helps with the problem of sexual harassment in mixed schools

How?

And for all of you who are so grateful that you/your DDs get that respite from SS - spare a thought for all the girls whose parents cannot afford that for their DDs

I cant access it for my dds. I sure as hell do not begrudge those who can doing so.

Its nothing short of stupid to not take it if you want it just because the rest of us have to chose between shit shitter and shitterer. Amd don't feel guilty either.not like the.lack of choice is your fault

Someone again, the answer to this is, absolutely - yes.

I’m in NZ, not the UK. Misogyny is an issue the world over.

So the solution is for me not to have gone to a single sex school, and for me not to choose one for my DD, because not everyone can go to one? OK….

Here in my (relatively small, by international standards) city there are six single sex (for girls) schools to choose from - two state, two RC, and two private.

The choice is open to everyone. I’m choosing single sex, and no apologies for it.

Nope being in a suitable area is down to luck for most people.

My DP grew up in a shitty area. There were and still are single sex secondary state girls and boys schools.

I was at school in 1985-6 in the Netherlands and this never happened to me. No cat calling, no whistling, no harrassment on the way to school either. If it was happening to girls in the 80s in the UK then it's a UK culture problem and a bloody serious one.

And for all of you who are so grateful that you/your DDs get that respite from SS - spare a thought for all the girls whose parents cannot afford that for their DDs.