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To think being able to use housing benefits as a mortgage is unfair?

388 replies

blahloney · 09/06/2022 14:58

I’m actually feeling quite annoyed. I currently work full time, don’t receive benefits but cannot afford to buy a house despite my rent being more than a mortgage. How is this fair?

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RainingYetAgain · 09/06/2022 16:18

There is another factor as well. The intention is to enable HA tenants to buy their homes at a discount. But the government doesn't own the HA property, so how will that work- unless they will be reimbursing the HA for the discount they are forcing them to give. In which case HA tenants will get what it in effect a lump sum deposit from the state which private tenants won't get. Why not just build more Council housing?
Advisors to Cameron and May have already said it won't work as they have looked at it previously. Still good headline for BoJo.

TwinklingFairyLights · 09/06/2022 16:17

RealBecca · 09/06/2022 16:15

Of course housing benefit should cover the mortgages. What do you want families that fall on hard times to do, default and end up in a council house that doesnt exist?

They haven't needed too though. In an era of increasing house prices, lenders have granted a high amount of forbearance as it made commercial sense.

The elephant in the room now is that are lenders and the government predicting a downturn in house prices, which would mean that it wouldn't make commercial sense for those mortgage holders with 10% or less equity in an era of decreasing house prices?

Cosmos123 · 09/06/2022 16:17

Ultimately the underwriters will say NO.
Risk of default too high.
They won't be able to have a deposit higher than 16k as otherwise wouldn't be entitled to benefits.
Desperate popular politics for a man who knows his career is on the line

Sortilege · 09/06/2022 16:17

Isaidnoalready · 09/06/2022 16:12

No after £6000 you lose a certain amount it stops totally at £16,000

RTB buyers have a built in deposit, and surely that’s who they mean, but finding mortgage lenders prepared to underwrite will still be a hurdle.

Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 16:16

Plus I've never known a conservative government give ( potentially ) so money away like this before too

RTB was started in the 80s by Thatcher. You’ve definitely known it, it’s in your user name!

GingeryLemons · 09/06/2022 16:15

Discovereads · 09/06/2022 15:05

I think it is unfair. Assets are assets and all types should be considered when granting housing benefit. It’s unfair for a person who rents and has £16k in savings to be denied benefits whereas a homeowner sitting on £100k in home equity but no savings gets benefits. Yes, I think the homeowner should be forced to sell their home and live off the proceeds until they drop below the £16k threshold.

I'm actually gobsmacked at this sentiment. You'd rather line the pockets of landlords and subject people to their whims rather than allow people a stable roof over their heads?

After I suffered DV at the hands of my dc's father, I stayed in the family home while I sorted the divorce and court, etc. I was claiming benefits until I could work full time and take the mortgage on myself. To have to sell my children's home and move into a rental, get rid of family pets, possibly change schools, etc etc, after such a traumatic life event is a horrendous thought.

I'm grateful for the assistance I received during such a terrible time in our lives. I'm also grateful you aren't in charge of any policies that would have adequate our lives exponentially worse.

Wartywart · 09/06/2022 16:15

TwinklingFairyLights · 09/06/2022 15:11

So does this mean people who have bought previously will be entitled to housing benefit now, should they lose their job?

At the moment, if you own, you can't claim housing benefit or the housing element of UC if you own your own home.

Really hope so. Very unfair otherwise.

RealBecca · 09/06/2022 16:15

Of course housing benefit should cover the mortgages. What do you want families that fall on hard times to do, default and end up in a council house that doesnt exist?

Sortilege · 09/06/2022 16:15

It’s not going to work accept for maybe a few people in gritty council flats on Stoke, and only turn if they bring in a government-backed lender. So I think you can release your pearls.

TwinklingFairyLights · 09/06/2022 16:15

Plus I've never known a conservative government give ( potentially ) so money away like this before too. The magic money trees are growing at number 10!!

I know it's nuts.

Or, they are trying to inflate away the debts they've accrued.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 16:13

Surely you have to be in a HA or council owned property first to be eligible for this? They are hard to get to start with!
It's not private tenants renting that will qualify for this of course , that house or flat does belong to an actual person or company. They pay a lot more rent too and probably the ones with the biggest gripe. I don't blame them.
How many homes would potentially come under this scheme for people to consider?
Plus I've never known a conservative government give ( potentially ) so money away like this before too. The magic money trees are growing at number 10!!

stillvicarinatutu · 09/06/2022 16:12

And this will just lead to more unscrupulous landlords and a lack of social housing.

I'm in private rented , no benefits, can't afford to buy .

Isaidnoalready · 09/06/2022 16:12

blahloney · 09/06/2022 15:11

@YouCantBeSadHoldingACupcake apparently they can save up to £16,000 which is enough for a deposit where I live.

No after £6000 you lose a certain amount it stops totally at £16,000

Soontobe60 · 09/06/2022 16:12

blahloney · 09/06/2022 15:07

I also didn’t realise you could have £16,000 savings and still claim UC and Housing Benefits. The world’s gone mad.

I agree - in fact, anyone who has the cheek to claim any sort of means tested benefits should prove they’re homeless, starving and at deaths door before their claim can be processed!

Blossomtoes · 09/06/2022 16:10

I thought that buy to let owners did pay a lot of tax?

They pay tax at the same rate as the rest of us. They sob about being hard done by but they’re really not.

Nothappyatwork · 09/06/2022 16:10

Regularsizedrudy · 09/06/2022 16:08

Hear hear!

People who are up to their eyeballs in debt are compliant.

that’s the plan, right now we have far too many people who do not need to work, who are in a comfortable position without a PAYE income.
The plan is to get those people back into the workforce by pushing up the retirement age, by inflating away their savings and by forcing as many people as possible to be indebted for as long as possible.

the80sweregreat · 09/06/2022 16:09

catandcoffee · 09/06/2022 16:08

Maybe I am being synical, but is this to divide the country. 🤔

Yep, it's working already

MountainClimber22 · 09/06/2022 16:09

TwinklingFairyLights · 09/06/2022 16:03

Read the news.

Newspapers are never accurate I've read so much rubbish about benefits in the past. Has anything been confirmed? I've not heard if it has.

Regularsizedrudy · 09/06/2022 16:08

Attractinglife · 09/06/2022 15:03

Its a terrible policy. Part of the reason we have such an awful housing crisis is the near destruction of the social rented market through the RTB of council homes. Council housing used to be respectable and aspirational. Even if the conservatives did build one new HA property for each sold off (and I don't believe it) there will still not be enough affordable social housing. We need to massively increase social rented housing, improve the private rented sector through developing a proper professionally run private rented sector, where tenants have security of tenure and decent rights. Part of the reason everyone wants to buy (which has pushed up house prices to unaffordable levels) is there is not a decent, affordable, accessible alternative to owning your own home in this country.

Hear hear!

catandcoffee · 09/06/2022 16:08

Maybe I am being synical, but is this to divide the country. 🤔

Nothappyatwork · 09/06/2022 16:07

lonelyapple · 09/06/2022 16:02

I'll just find a low paid job and work the minimum amount of hours to quality for UC and not be hassled. Loads around here.

Yeah I’m sure that will keep you warm in your old age, honestly it just makes me laugh out loud. I pay 40% tax on everything I earn over and above the threshold and it’s still worth my while dragging my arse to work every day to just not to be on minimum wage and having to deal with anybody at the universal credits department.

I believe me there’s been times I’ve considered it. But I would do it in addition to self employment and no way would I rely on the government to keep the roof over the children and i’s heads.

I have seen the shit they put people through, literally calling my friend who works full time by the way and had small children, at work to tell her that she needed to get in to an appointment with them with less than 24 hours notice otherwise she would be sanctioned. Literally the list of reasons they could sanction you just seemed to be endless.

TwinklingFairyLights · 09/06/2022 16:06

MountainClimber22 · 09/06/2022 16:05

People can have savings but they will get less benefits as they take the savings into account.

Not if the deposit savings are ring fenced, as per the news today.

Theresamagicalplace · 09/06/2022 16:05

lonelyapple · 09/06/2022 16:02

I'll just find a low paid job and work the minimum amount of hours to quality for UC and not be hassled. Loads around here.

If you have no children or children over a certain age the minimum hours to work is 35 a week. You won't be better off trust me

MountainClimber22 · 09/06/2022 16:05

People can have savings but they will get less benefits as they take the savings into account.

Samcro · 09/06/2022 16:04

JustTheOneSwan · 09/06/2022 15:03

It's bollocks just to cause a row and set people against each other.
If you get HB or UC you aren't allowed savings over £16,000.
You've no way to get a deposit.
don't fall for propaganda.

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