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Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

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Alwaystoblame · 27/05/2022 14:10

Posting for traffic.
How do I go about finding my Dd a new school if she's been permanently excluded? How likely are good schools to take her on in year 10 with an appalling attendance and behaviour record? She's very bright and doing very well academically when are bothers to go to class and do the homework. Attendance in in the 60s for this year. Even when she dies go in she is late and/or truants classes.
I have 2 previous threads about the issues she's having but I wanted to ask specifically about new schools without getting detailed.

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Alwaystoblame · 30/08/2023 10:19

I am completely done now. I can't listen to my little boy crying over how his sister treats him any longer. He doesn't deserve to be upset every time she deigns to see us.
Today she has enrolled at a college she hadn't even thought about let alone visited for some kind of health course. In fact she's never visited any college at all. She went with her dad's ex, the one who has significantly contributed to the situation she's in, and his current gf. The one he shags loudly in the next room to the kids when they both know the kids are awake 🤢 She's the type to call my daughter a spastic when she's goofing around so obviously a lovely woman Hmm How she's got on a course aiming to work with vulnerable people I'll never know, especially with only 3 GCSEs. I doubt she'll last long on the course given her attitude to attendance and learning. She's also volunteering somewhere for vulnerable people and they obviously don't know her background. Again, I don't think she'll last long but it's a worry. She's thanked me for my pathetic half arsed attempt at supporting her over the years but stated how blessed she is to have her dad's ex and probably soon to be ex supporting her because they believed in her. Her godmother who is a devout christian and never says a bad word about anybody thinks she is a disgrace. I don't think anyone on my side of the family has anything good to say about her these days and that's very sad. Her dad's family aren't too fond of her either from what her grandfather says. Before her dad left she was a loving, caring, funny, intelligent girl who could be a pain in the bum like any child but was a joy to be around. I look back and wonder what the hell happened. It makes me so so that we will never get back the person she was and I will never have a good relationship with her again. Too much shit has gone on and too many hurtful things said that are unforgivable. In many years we might have some kind of relationship but I don't think I will ever trust her. The one good thing is that college don't have my details so any drama there will not be for me to deal with. This coming academic year will be calm and drama free now after years of regular phone calls, emails, meetings, trips into school, calls to the police because she's gone missing, calls to social services etc. My friend recommends blocking her number but I find it hard to do that and she only goes through her sister or grandmother to get to me anyway. Her sister has majorly fallen out with her due to something she deems unforgivable so she might not be willing to do her any favours anyway. Maybe I should just block her and be done with it. She doesn't want me in her life so what's the point. She has her dad's harem to be her mum and says they are better ones. If I didn't have two other children I think I'd be dead because of how she's made me feel. I've fought for her and her future for years only to be constantly smacked in the face. I'm done.

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Crazycrazylady · 25/08/2023 17:54

Honestly I think you're on the right track distancing yourself a little. You have other children to consider and regardless it seems currently she is simply not open to changing her behaviour and her attitude.
Maybe down the track she will but she's certainly not there now.

Alwaystoblame · 24/08/2023 22:28

It's been a horrible day. What should have been a day of happiness and celebration has been one of upset, disappointment and profound sadness. On the bright side for me at least there will be no more school app pinging almost daily to say she's not in, she's truant, got detention etc, no phone calls from the sick room saying she's there and can she go home, asking permission for her to leave school for fabricated appointments, telling me she's locked herself in the toilets and they've had to remove the outer door to get to her and ensure she's safe. No checking her attendance on the app and wondering why she's not in school again. No wondering if being off sick is really her being unwell or just another lie and her dad playing along. No more alerts to lack of homework or being missing from exams or being suspended or threatened with expulsion. Where did my excited to be going to high school grinning like a Cheshire Cat in her brand new uniform full of potential and promise go? I feel like she's been stolen from me. She diagnosed me with a new mental illness last night which made a nice change although I've obviously still got the old one too. And her dad's ex (about 5 exes ago) is more of a mum to her than me. I'm old, abnormal, blah blah blah. My friend tells me to cut her out of my life but I can't. She's still my daughter and I love her. I don't have to let her come here to upset her siblings though. Her little brother was again in tears today that she'd let him down again. It's every time she comes now. I need to toughen up and say no to her coming here but she manipulates her sister into it being perfectly reasonable that she comes round. I'm always the one at fault. Always. There's no answer that I can see. Being less available will help. Saying no more and telling the other two that what I say is what goes so no letting her in or making arrangements behind my back. It's utter shit.

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Alwaystoblame · 24/08/2023 16:36

She's said to some people that she's failed e writhing except maths and English. She's not let me know though so who knows what she's got.

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SnowWhiteAndTheTwoKids · 24/08/2023 11:02

Alwaystoblame · 24/08/2023 10:17

Last night I was subjected to name calling, insults and accusation of neglect and mental illnesses. She called her younger sister a cunt for asking her not to do something. She maintains that her behaviour is always respectful and I disagreed which is what led to the flouncing and verbal abuse.
I doubt she will even go and collect her exam results and even if she does I doubt she will tell me her results.

Younger Dd gets her modern foreign language GCSE result today (they do it 2 years early for reasons that escape me) and is predicted to have done very well so today will be a celebration despite Dd.

Ds is again upset that she's done a midnight flit. She keeps letting him down yet he still adores her. She's his big sister and it's really hard for him.

The good thing is that school is completely over now and I'm having nothing to do with college. College don't have my phone number so they can't contact me if there's any issues anyway. Her dad can deal with it on his own. She'll be on for a shock because college won't chase her like school did. If she doesn't turn up they won't be calling to see where she is. If she doesn't attend that's her business.

I've read your whole thread and you sound like a saint. I have a primary school friend who has followed a similar path and also started stealing to sell stuff to pay for drugs.
Is a teenage residential rehab centre an option? I'm not sure how you could afford this or get her to agree though. This is what worked for my friend in the end but she was sectioned after seriously dangerous behaviour while high.

Alwaystoblame · 24/08/2023 10:17

Last night I was subjected to name calling, insults and accusation of neglect and mental illnesses. She called her younger sister a cunt for asking her not to do something. She maintains that her behaviour is always respectful and I disagreed which is what led to the flouncing and verbal abuse.
I doubt she will even go and collect her exam results and even if she does I doubt she will tell me her results.

Younger Dd gets her modern foreign language GCSE result today (they do it 2 years early for reasons that escape me) and is predicted to have done very well so today will be a celebration despite Dd.

Ds is again upset that she's done a midnight flit. She keeps letting him down yet he still adores her. She's his big sister and it's really hard for him.

The good thing is that school is completely over now and I'm having nothing to do with college. College don't have my phone number so they can't contact me if there's any issues anyway. Her dad can deal with it on his own. She'll be on for a shock because college won't chase her like school did. If she doesn't turn up they won't be calling to see where she is. If she doesn't attend that's her business.

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Dashdotdotdash · 24/08/2023 09:22

What happened with the EHCP application?

DarkChocHolic · 24/08/2023 06:32

@AAlwaystoblame thinking of you and sending you much strength!
You have done everything you can AND MORE!
Please tell yourself that repeatedly.

Alwaystoblame · 23/08/2023 23:40

She's gone off to her dad's now because I've not fawned all over her and backed her up when she claimed she's been respectful in her behaviour. So off ages goes again. Flouncing you daddy at a hint of any parenting.

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FlibbertyGiblets · 23/08/2023 23:12

Scatterbrainbox you really ought to read the whole thread including the updates from the OP today.

OP I hope the results tomorrow are what are needed.

Scatterbrainbox · 23/08/2023 22:54

Alwaystoblame · 06/11/2022 12:28

Yes, I'm doing the EHCP. Not one of the professionals think it's necessary.

Fight for it. Appeal if they say no. A major benefit of being assessed is that she will be seen by an educational psychologist.
They may be able yto find a better setting (neither PRU or mainstream)

Scatterbrainbox · 23/08/2023 22:47

Beautiful3 · 28/05/2022 13:57

Around here they get sent to a pupil referral unit (down the road), we call the "naughty school".

How is this a helpful, or relevant comment...

Newestname002 · 23/08/2023 22:21

My word @Alwaystoblame you are one strong woman. Hope you get a decent nights sleep - will be thinking of you tomorrow. 🌹

Alwaystoblame · 23/08/2023 22:18

She's here and upsetting the apple cart already. Not even half an hour in! I'm
Biting my tongue as best I can until the results are out of the way. Where's the Valium...😩
Where did my baby girl go? Not in an all grown up and proud mam way but an ashamed way and I feel ashamed for feeling like that. I love her dearly but dear Lord she's put us all through Hell these past years.
This thread is such a support to me and I appreciate all the replies.
Tomorrow will be an emotive day.

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Crazycrazylady · 23/08/2023 15:14

It does sound that she is beyond your help Op. some people just are.
Maybe one day she'll mature and change but it seems fairly certain that jail time will be in her future . Who knows maybe it could be the making of her . Either way there is literally no more you could have done for her , you have nothing to berate yourself over. You need to remember that.

Alwaystoblame · 23/08/2023 13:28

I'll be glad when the results are in.

I found out yesterday that she didn't attend her police station appointment to answer her bail so that's not going to look good.

She's definitely involved in drugs and using them.

She was signed up to a programme run by a local group working with school leavers to improve their mental health, employability, social skills etc with workshops, outdoor activities, day trips, workshops etc and she didn't turn up to that either.

It feels like a waste of time trying to help her because she's not interested in anything to help herself.

Her dad remains utterly useless. There have been zero consequences for anything. She stole a family heirloom from his house and tried to pawn it earlier this month and there's been nothing done about that either.

I'm pissing in the wind.

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Crazycrazylady · 22/08/2023 22:31

Honestly Always. I don't think there is anything wrong in telling her you're disappointed for her if she doesn't do herself justice in her exams. She will know herself she is capable of more and ithere is no harm is her knowing that you believe she is capable of more as well .

HipsterCoffeeShop · 22/08/2023 21:33

Best of luck for Thursday @Alwaystoblame

If you were pleased no matter what she got would she kick off still? I hope for both your sakes she has pulled something out of the bag!

itsmylife7 · 22/08/2023 11:45

What an amazing Mother you're OP.

I've been following your posts.

Sending you warm wishes. 💐

Alwaystoblame · 22/08/2023 11:13

GCSE results on Thursday and I'm dreading it. She's asked me to go with her to get them. I think some she will have done ok or possibly well in but some not at all. History she missed a third of the marks because she missed the 1 out of the 3 exams. She was late for another subject and missed half that exam. She still has a place at college regardless of her grades but it depends on what she gets as to what she can do. I'm not sure how I'll react if she dies as badly as predicted or more importantly how she will react. My reaction will be up for scrutiny for the rest of her life no doubt so I need to be careful. I have a face that talks for me without me being aware though so it's going to be difficult to get it right and not upset her if it's bad news.
She's already said that starting college will ramp up her anxiety so I'm expecting lots of absences past the first couple of days. She didn't go to the taster day they ran.
I've no idea where the police investigation is up to. She's working with the youth offender team but I'm not sure if it's doing any good.

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Alwaystoblame · 03/07/2023 16:58

@riesenrad theft from a vehicle. Multiple items to sell on but keep some too. I don't think she's even sorry. She's certainly not bothered about it.

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riesenrad · 03/07/2023 14:49

Would she be able to get a job with her behaviour record and being on bail

Schools won't stop someone getting a job - they won't talk about her behaviour record if asked for a reference, they'll just say when she attended. They might say her attendance was patchy, though.

Otherwise it depends what she has been arrested for (not seen your other thread) if she is charged and if she is found guilty. She needs advice about whether to accept a caution if it is for a violent crime as cautions don't go away. Different employers do different levels of criminal records checks and the fact that she was arrested can show up. So it may affect her in the future but it won't affect every opportunity, and eventually it will be spent and only be relevant for something like teaching. And even then it may well be disregarded.

Dashdotdotdash · 03/07/2023 14:01

Tell her that, happily, calling you bipolar isn't insulting, because she clearly doesn't know what it means.

I hope your health problems are sorted out?

DarkChocHolic · 03/07/2023 13:24

@Alwaystoblame
Sorry to hear about your health issues.
You really have been through an awful lot.
I hope you have some help to help you recover. Please look after yourself.

Alwaystoblame · 03/07/2023 09:12

Thank you for your post @Soopermum1 I'm sorry you are in a similar horrible situation.

Dd won't see me unless it's for a favour so I could r do anything with her on her own. I'd love to but she'd either not turn up or would spoil it somehow.

Her dad would call me psychotic and she's settled on bipolar as her insult of choice. She doesn't even know what bipolar is. She thinks it's equal to me being nice but then refusing to take her shit if she's being nasty to me. Having boundaries equals bipolar.

It's really affecting my mood and I'm normally pretty upbeat even when things are tough. I can always find something to laugh about or see the lighter side or dark honour but at the moment I just can't.

I'm relieved that there'll be no more calls from school about her. I doubt she will put me down on her college details so I'll not be contacted about any drama there either.

Would she be able to get a job with her behaviour record and being on bail?

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