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Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

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Alwaystoblame · 27/05/2022 14:10

Posting for traffic.
How do I go about finding my Dd a new school if she's been permanently excluded? How likely are good schools to take her on in year 10 with an appalling attendance and behaviour record? She's very bright and doing very well academically when are bothers to go to class and do the homework. Attendance in in the 60s for this year. Even when she dies go in she is late and/or truants classes.
I have 2 previous threads about the issues she's having but I wanted to ask specifically about new schools without getting detailed.

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DonnaRhea · 27/05/2022 15:13

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DonnaRhea · 27/05/2022 15:12

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 27/05/2022 14:59

I think people need to read the OPs other threads to get a clearer picture.

Until your daughter owns up the the vile bullying and disgusting messages she has sent then nothing will change.

Her father needs to wake up to reality too.

Possibly but unless we are privvy to @Alwaystoblame previous posts/history we can on advise on the information given 🙄

LittleOwl153 · 27/05/2022 15:06

I haven't read your other threads so I think it will depend on her reason for exclusion and whether she is actually prepared to knucle down and get her exams.

A new start would probably be best for her - if you cannot find a good GCSE match would she be open to restarting yr10 in September if that is an option? Gives her some time to sort herself out maybe through a PRU this term?

Good Luck- I have a feeling you will need it!

LakieLady · 27/05/2022 15:05

FlibbertyGiblets · 27/05/2022 14:38

Do not discount PRUs as an option if offered by the LA. They can be great (a matter of luck, to some extent)

I was going to say this.

Going to a PRU gave my colleague's lad the kick up the arse he needed to sort himself out.

In his words, "I didn't want to end up like those losers", he put some effort in and got 4 GCSEs. That enabled him to get into college, start an A-level and resit 4 GCSEs (which he passed), the following year, he started another 2 A-levels. It meant he took 3 years to get A-levels rather than 2, but he's in his final year at a half-decent uni now, and on course to get a 2:1.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 27/05/2022 14:59

PixellatedPixie · 27/05/2022 14:55

If she’s smart but has behavioural issues and doesn’t like going into school then is there a way she could just do her work from home? Like a home schooling arrangement? There must be a reason she doesn’t want to be in school!

I think people need to read the OPs other threads to get a clearer picture.

Until your daughter owns up the the vile bullying and disgusting messages she has sent then nothing will change.

Her father needs to wake up to reality too.

PixellatedPixie · 27/05/2022 14:55

If she’s smart but has behavioural issues and doesn’t like going into school then is there a way she could just do her work from home? Like a home schooling arrangement? There must be a reason she doesn’t want to be in school!

Onlyforcake · 27/05/2022 14:55

It sounds as though a standard school set up won't be a good fit for her though? She's obviously not committed to being part of a school and sees it as take it or leave it. She perhaps needs something where she's got to get on with it under her own motivation? You might be looking for a basic 'academic' focus when that's what she's pushing back against.

Spanglemum · 27/05/2022 14:53

I've read your other threads. I think it's out of your hands now. You should get a letter from the LA explaining what happens next. What won't happen is that her or her Dad get to choose her next educational establishment.

OhmygodDont · 27/05/2022 14:50

Highly likely a pru but they are not all doom and gloom. The problem you have is her dads attitude shows her she’s right and can do what she wants when she’s wrong and she can’t and his useless.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 27/05/2022 14:47

Is its your daughter who lives with Dad? Managed moves normally comes before permanent exclusion. She will be found a place either at a school or a pru under fair access. She is over half way through her GCSE and it will be difficult for anyone to cram in 2 years of work into 1.

Lavenderlast · 27/05/2022 14:47

I do know two quite devout Christian schools that accepted excluded pupils, but in those cases the pupil was remorseful. Basically if dd is up for asking for forgiveness and a second chance you mind find a religious school open to the idea.

Otherwise ask the LA what to do. For major behaviour issues I’ve read that a pupil referral unit is nicer for the child as they get more individual attention

Johnnysgirl · 27/05/2022 14:43

I've seen your other threads, op, you're in a horrendous situation. You really need to be handing it over to her Dad to manage now.

PanelChair · 27/05/2022 14:43

If she is “deemed suitable for mainstream education”, then she will be eligible for referral to the Fair Access Protocol. The DFE guidance on FAPs is online, so read what it says about twice excluded and challenging behaviour. Your LEA’s FAP should also be online.

DonnaRhea · 27/05/2022 14:42

A PRU is probably going to be the only option for her now, some are really good but I guarantee she will grow up very quickly
Schools have been run as businesses for years now IMO, they are not going to take the chance of her bringing their figures down, attendance /parental complaints /exam results etc
Sad but true

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 27/05/2022 14:40

Alwaystoblame · 27/05/2022 14:24

Fuck. She thinks she can waltz into another school with no issue. Her dad seems to think the same. There are two pupil referral units in the area that I know of.

Then they are both going to get a rude awakening.

FlibbertyGiblets · 27/05/2022 14:38

Do not discount PRUs as an option if offered by the LA. They can be great (a matter of luck, to some extent)

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 27/05/2022 14:36

My DH is a Governor and sits on permanent exclusion panels. It is really a last resort.
It is the LA that finds the next school.
Who will take them next depends A little bit on why they were excluded.
You could try applying directly but you would need to disclose exclusion so a very unlikely option.
Good luck!

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 27/05/2022 14:36

Why was she permanently excluded? Will it definitely be upheld by the governors?

Going by OPs other threads I can't see the decision being changed.

WeddingOnAShoeString · 27/05/2022 14:32

It is possible that she will be provided with some sort of alternative education package that comprises some tutoring for GCSE subjects mixed with attendance at alternative education providers/vocational training. Your best bet is to get onto your LA team and cooperate with them as much as you can to secure the best outcome for your DD.

Why was she permanently excluded? Will it definitely be upheld by the governors?

Ski4130 · 27/05/2022 14:31

Alwaystoblame · 27/05/2022 14:24

Fuck. She thinks she can waltz into another school with no issue. Her dad seems to think the same. There are two pupil referral units in the area that I know of.

It's really unlikely that she'll be able to start again at another school if she's been excluded, have her current school not worked with you/her/her dad to explain that? A managed move should have been offered as an option long before you got to this stage.

Lilbunnyfufu · 27/05/2022 14:31

The la will find a new school it will more than likely be a pupil referral unit.
When my dd was permanently excluded no other school would take her. So the la organised for her to go to a Pru.

RestingPandaFace · 27/05/2022 14:29

Alwaystoblame · 27/05/2022 14:24

Fuck. She thinks she can waltz into another school with no issue. Her dad seems to think the same. There are two pupil referral units in the area that I know of.

Maybe you should get Dad to make a few phone calls to other schools and see how the land lies?

ArnoldBee · 27/05/2022 14:29

If she goes to a PRU she has to be referred by her current school as it costs loads more money for the LA.

If she lived in my area no chance of another school as they are full to over flowing and even under the Fair Access Protocol we struggled to get any school to take my DSD.

We have looked at colleges locally as DSD has issues and basically they can only take 4 GCSEs and thats with fully attending in the first place.

JorisBonson · 27/05/2022 14:29

It was 20+ years ago, but I was excluded from school and my only option was a PRU.

Dashdotdotdash · 27/05/2022 14:28

If she's been permanently excluded the LA has a duty to provide full time education from the sixth day after the exclusion. You're past the stage for a managed move, that usually happens as an attempt to avoid exclusion. It may be a PRU, and it's worth looking at it with an open mind as some are very good.

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