Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

Whenever my school has permanently excluded a child they have always been placed in PRU. I’m not sure if that’s the case everywhere, but it is at my school. In many cases it has been good for the child involved. You need to try a break the cycle of behaviour and a normal school will probably struggle to do that if it’s got to perm ex stage. A PRU is probably the best option.

The trouble is that whatever school she gets into is likely to see a repetition of her behaviour eventually, even if she has a good start. I’ve seen it 3 times this year with 3 students who were given a place and kept their heads down for months then have been permanently excluded.

I hope your dd realises very quickly what side her bread’s buttered on and that she succeeds with a fresh start. Hugs, @Alwaystoblame I can’t imagine how tough this is for you.

Could you ask for outreach teaching. She might calm down a bit without the pressure of school. Its not like she would be learning much while in that sort of state anyway

That sounds hard, although if her early years were more settled then it's probably the sort of thing a lot of kids go through, so maybe it's just her dad's influence or something. Did you say she had seen camhs?

Did she have traumatic early years that she's playing out as a teenager or something? Just wondered what's behind all this anger.

Sounds very much like your DD would fit the 'not suitable for mainstream education' description. I think you're right to step away too. A decent PRU could actually be the making of her, but leave it in her dad's hands now.

A school refuser could be argued to be unsuitable for mainstream.

I thought it was often an independent PRU in this instance - some kind of key stage 4 bridge project.

I'm not sure that you chasing around trying to find alternative provision off your own bat will get the outcome you're hoping for. As previous posters have outlined, there are procedures in place when children are excluded from school- this isn't something you can single-handedly solve for your daughter.

Tough as it is (and it sounds utterly soul-destroying, on top of all of your other responsibilities), your husband and daughter have both chosen for him to be the resident parent at this time. It looks like it's time for the two of them to figure out the next steps by dealing with the relevant authorities themselves. Your daughter clearly has very challenging needs, and you have done all you can to support her (along with the school, by the sounds of things). But at the moment, that isn't working for any of you. It's unrealistic to expect anything to change when everyone continues to behave in the same way.

You say that your daughter and Ex expect that she'll be able to pick and choose their favourite from a range of schooling options. It also sounds like they expect you to do the donkey work in terms of sorting all of that out for them. But if you're the only parent in all the meetings , they're going to blame you when you can't conjure up the impossible. That's likely to mean another step down the road of neither of them facing the consequences of their actions (Ex for his abusive behaviour and poor parenting, and DD for her behaviour choices), and a further delay in DD making choices which will help her turn things around.

You can still be there when your daughter needs you, and deep down she seems to understand that your love is unconditional. But to make a change, and for the sake of your health and the other vulnerable people who rely on you, it looks like you need to let your Ex have the responsibilities he demanded.

*FAP not FAC

@Alwaystoblame you made a mistake posting in Aibu for traffic You've got a lot of inexpert and reactionary responses, and only one correct one so far - from PanelChair. I suggest you start a new thread on the Secondary Education forum to ask advice of admissions experts regarding the Fair Access Protocol. But go and read up about it first. All schools have to take their fair share of challenging students, so if your daughter is turned away from every school, the Local Authority will broker an offer using the FAC.

PRUs are for children deemed unsuitable for mainstream education, so they are a last resort.

@PupInAPram I was offered to go back a year to restart y10 when I moved from a different countries rather than starting y11. I chose to sit Y10 and Y11 at the same time but it was an option not that long ago in England. They also took excluded students who often restarted years.

A PRU will take her.

PRU or online learning - there is a dedicated online school for kids with behavioural issues.
very well supported.
she’s not getting into another ‘normal’
school and you need to get that message through to her. It’s takes massive time and energy and resources to deal with kids like this which detracts from everyone else’s learning so no school will willingly take her. Not do they have to.

A parent cant request a PRU place directly or contact them. The commissioner has too. The process varies but there may be a panel. (typically meet 2 weekly or monthly)

do you think she will be doing the same thing in the new school?

I might be totally wrong but have you considered getting an assessment done on her?

I hope it all works out and just wanted to wish you all the best.

Yes here’s a thumbs up for PRUs if there’s 2 in your area 1 is likely to be more academic. Approach them. Don’t waste time on ms.

That isnt how it works. You cant bypass the system. Plus she has 60% attendance and so would trigger a managed move process (the way this work varies from LA to LA)

The process depends on the LA.
They now have a legal requirement to put a process in place. Not all LAs have PRU places. Some have AP, AP in college, some offer tutors etc

With 60% attendance and excluded then she wont just able to choose another school and move. Contact her current school and ask them what happens next.

Has the perminant exclusion been agreed by governors? If not, try and get her elsewhere ASAP, before the perminant exclusion goes on her file.

You cannot just decide to do year 10 again. It doesn't work like that in England.