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To send my eldest to grammar school knowing it’ll be a squeeze?

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Troisfoisfilles · 03/03/2022 22:37

So my eldest just won a place at a really good grammar school in our area to start year 7 in September which is great.
She did so well in the entrance exam and interview that she was offered a scholarship and we have been awarded a brilliant bursary. Only trouble is, the bursary doesn’t cover everything and even the transport and uniform are a huge expense! It’s going to be a massive squeeze on finances. I also have two younger children who will no doubt miss out on little treats and things that I won’t be able to afford any longer 😞.
She is very intelligent and would do well at any school but I know for a fact that she won’t achieve full potential at a state school.
I originally applied for a place for her at the school I teach at. It’s a great school and she would do ok there but I don’t want just ok for her. For a start, she’s really quite eccentric and mature for her age. Kids similar to this at my school don’t really go down that well and are singled out by the others - kids are horrid!
I really believe she needs the small classes, discipline and pushiness she’d get at a grammar.
So am I being unreasonable in sending her?

OP posts:
Thighdentitycrisis · 04/03/2022 17:41

I was raised by a single parent and my siblings and I all passed the 11+

We didn’t get to go to the grammar school and not only that went to a bit of a sink school
We all feel that was a huge missed opportunity. We also understand that each of us were treated differently depending on the circumstances at the time, we don’t begrudge each other those differences

choirmumoftwo · 04/03/2022 17:40

As part of your decision making, I think you should bear in mind that bursary funding is linked to household income. So if your income goes up, your bursary will reduce and you'll be no better off.

sonineties · 04/03/2022 17:38

Send her, and apply for a job teaching there.
Staff kids usually go free.

Thighdentitycrisis · 04/03/2022 17:37

I think I would send her.

Piggyk2 · 04/03/2022 17:30

I don't think you have done anything wrong with letting your DD sit the exam its a good thing so you are both aware of her potential. However she obviously is clever and something will come her way sometimes it's just pure luck.

I personally would not send her though and I know it's a real shame but the reality is OP you are a single parent with 3 kids. It's no life having to penny pinch it's a luxury within itself to be able to just unwind for an hour and have the cake and coffee out to yourself. It's important as a single parent to do these things like this for the sake of your own sanity.

Could you go through CMS to get finical support for your DDs father?

gogohm · 04/03/2022 17:29

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shesheshe01 · 04/03/2022 17:29

Firstly congractulations. Sorry but if there is around 150 applications and take 60 children it is not so selective school. My DD had offer from one of the independent school this year, applicants were more then 450 and they took 38 children only.
If it will effect my lifestyle other kids clubs, tutors, holidays I woudnt accept the offer. Buti f she get scholorship and bursary I would send her it means she deserve to be there. But I must say the other children may not be able to get that kind of scholorship or bursary and they may ask to go to independent school in secondary as well. It tricky...
Good luck, wish you all the best.

sweetbellyhigh · 04/03/2022 17:28

@Musmerian

So what? Lots of children are "clearly very bright".

And the school is obviously not very selective if it takes half the applicants. There are schools oversubscribed by thousands.

RedskyThisNight · 04/03/2022 17:27

@Photolass

There are many unwritten extras that accompany private school fees, the expectation to engage in costly out of school activities, join ski trips, city breaks and so on

That's what bursaries are for. At one of my relative's independent school, the aim for this year is to raise a million for bursaries. This will not only cover fees, but can be used to fund trips etc for parents who can't afford them.
This is a top, very academic independent school.

That may be so at your relative's school, but OP has already said her DD's bursary doesn't cover everything.
gogohm · 04/03/2022 17:26

@GraciousPiglet

Plenty of grammar schools are fee paying.

sweetbellyhigh · 04/03/2022 17:25

@Photolass

There are many unwritten extras that accompany private school fees, the expectation to engage in costly out of school activities, join ski trips, city breaks and so on

That's what bursaries are for. At one of my relative's independent school, the aim for this year is to raise a million for bursaries. This will not only cover fees, but can be used to fund trips etc for parents who can't afford them.
This is a top, very academic independent school.

I'm talking birthday parties and weekend breaks with friends not school trips.
CowboyJo · 04/03/2022 17:25

@Niahm

Really bright kids who get sent to state school are usually just left to rot while the teachers concentrate on the ‘slower’ students. 1,000% go for it! As you said, you’ve got years to figure things out financially before the younger two are secondary age.
Well at my DD's secondary state school everyone is put into sets, so the 'slower' students are all in different classes from the bright students. DD is extremely bright and I think her teachers are amazing.
Yika · 04/03/2022 17:23

I would absolutely send her and try to make ends meet. What a fantastic opportunity for her.

I am one of 3; my younger sibling was the only one to get a private education. No issue at all, my other sibling and I were very happy at our state school.

Photolass · 04/03/2022 17:19

There are many unwritten extras that accompany private school fees, the expectation to engage in costly out of school activities, join ski trips, city breaks and so on

That's what bursaries are for. At one of my relative's independent school, the aim for this year is to raise a million for bursaries. This will not only cover fees, but can be used to fund trips etc for parents who can't afford them.
This is a top, very academic independent school.

ScalesAreOff · 04/03/2022 17:19

@GeorgiaGirl52

Words of wisdom from my grandmother: Always get the best health care you can afford and the best education you can afford because they are yours for a lifetime.
Couldn't have penned a better response OP. Do it!!!
GnomeDePlume · 04/03/2022 17:18

@Blossomtoes OP specifically mentioned her DD being eccentric and being concerned about her fitting in.

@Troisfoisfilles you are already scrimping now. That old car will need to be replaced at some point maybe more than once.

Musmerian · 04/03/2022 17:17

@sweetbellyhigh

It's pretty simple: no because you can't afford it.

All the handwringing in the world won't change that.your child still gets to go to "great" school.

And frankly, you are deluding yourself that this grammar not grammar school will be the answer to her dreams. There are many unwritten extras that accompany private school fees, the expectation to engage in costly out of school activities, join ski trips, city breaks and so on.

If I could advise parents of one thing wrt their children's education it would be to send them to school in the company of children from a similar economic background, kids who have the same expectations around Christmas, clothes and holidays. Else you're setting them up to be a social pariah.

Totally disagree with this. Firstly OPs daughter is clearly very bright and has won an almost full bursary. I’m a teacher and my kids went to our school on half fees and we’re absolutely fine despite money being tight.
OlafLovesAnna · 04/03/2022 17:14

I would do it in a heartbeat. You know that your DD will thrive and the 'sacrifices' are ones that your smaller kids won't notice at the moment.

It's that old chestnut of equal not always meaning equitable.

Sceptre86 · 04/03/2022 17:14

I'd say yabu if you don't let her go. She sounds like she will thrive there and she deserves that chance.

Wannago · 04/03/2022 17:14

@madeittofriday

Well this could have been me. I was awarded almost full scholarship for Y7 private school, with the alternative school both my parents taught at. They decided not to send me to the private school mostly because they were worried about paying my DB fees later.

I resented my DP, absolutely hated having them teaching at the same school, was picked on by other pupils and some staff who did not like my DF in particular. I stopped trying to do well and spent as little time at home or school as I could.

I applied again for Y9 entry and got a partial scholarship, smaller than before but everyone had realised it was for the best and off I went. Best thing that ever happened to me. My DB was perfectly happy at the local state school - had none of the same issues and we're now in our 40s with no issue at all about the different schools we ended up at.

Your DD sounds very bright and I would give her every chance to take the opportunity she has made for herself.

This.

Although my story is different, it may also help. My parents didn't let me sit the equivalent of the 11+ where I grew up (ideological reasons, although I doubt they could have afforded it either - left wing academic parents) and sent me to a local "very highly rated" comprehensive (although they picked - I was not consulted). I was absolutely miserable there, unbelieveably lonely and picked on for getting top grades - the school, for the first time, had a "girls" and "boys" science prize, because otherwise that would have meant a girl getting the top prize - which I think was their attempt to head off some of the bullying. We had ridiculous situations like me getting 100% in maths tests and the next top mark was 60%.

The only thing in my favour was that I was technically too young for the year - and age wise, fell within the age criteria (just) for the following year's 11+. So I pursuaded my parents to let me sit the scholarship exams (because it was based on age, not year), for an academic private school - we phoned around the schools to check that if I won the scholarship, they would let me go into Year 8, not Year 7, and while most said no, one said yes, I sat the scholarship, won it, and on the basis that I had "earned" my way into the school, my parents let me go. Undoubtedly the best thing that happened to me ever. I don't think I would ever have forgiven them if they had insisted on my staying for another 6 years of purgatory in the school in which they enrolled me.

BTW, after my experience, my parents let my DB sit the scholarship exams for the equivalent boys private schools. My DB won the scholarship - and decided to turn it down in favour of a new state grammar that they were just setting up (it was not selective in my time, three years later, it was). You never know what siblings will or won't want (or what opportunities might be available to them that were not available to the older ones). But there was no question that if he hadn't won the scholarship, they would have sent him to the private school anyway, just because I had. In their view - it was like I had financially contributed the amount of the scholarship (which in those days was full, and not means tested). In a way, it was not their money to throw away, it was effectively money I earned. Just as I would not take my adult child's earnings to subsidise my younger children, it would not have been right to take away what I earned just because my DB might or might not earn the same.

I think, given how much her heart is set on it, you really must let her go.

Blossomtoes · 04/03/2022 17:13

@Loopytiles

Agree that fair doesn’t have to mean the same, but here we’re talking £100k+ being spent on one of three DC.

Hard to balance that up!

You wouldn’t have to balance it up. It’s not OP’s money.
Niahm · 04/03/2022 17:12

Really bright kids who get sent to state school are usually just left to rot while the teachers concentrate on the ‘slower’ students. 1,000% go for it! As you said, you’ve got years to figure things out financially before the younger two are secondary age.

Musmerian · 04/03/2022 17:11

I think that’s a brilliant deal OP re the bursary amount. I would absolutely go for it.

Gonnagetgoing · 04/03/2022 17:11

@Photolass

Absolutely send her. She has passed the exam without being tutored, which immediately means she must be very bright. The majority of children who pass the independent school exams are heavily tutored for at least a year and often more, despite the fact that they might not admit it. It simply isn't true to say that a bright child will do well anywhere. The level of education is more robust in the private system. It has to be. Parents are paying for it. Generally the teachers are highly qualified and enthusiastic about their subjects, and pastoral care is excellent.
@Photolass - my mum used to tutor children from prep schools and non prep schools for independent school exams. Most children need the extra prep as it's not a given you'll just get in!

Even my school which was a private convent had entrance exams (easy though they just wanted the money!).

dopenguinsdance · 04/03/2022 17:10

OP bursaries are offered on merit/financial circumstances. Having a sibling already at the school in a bursary-aided place strengthens not weakens a younger sibling's application, subject to them meeting the academic threshold. Your contribution is reduced if you have more than one child at a school ( same as with fee aping parents). Part of the schools rationale is that they "know what they're getting" with a sibling in terms of the individual's likely levels of motivation and parental support. The extra curricular opportunities are also astonishing and they don't cost you anything, ditto the range and potential combination of subjects at GSCE and A-level.