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To insist DD has her own cubicle (or one with a friend?)

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DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:10

My DD(8, nearly 9) has started swimming lessons in her school this term.

DD doesn't feel comfortable getting changed in front of all the other girls. I asked her do the boys get changed all together and she said no - they share cubicles with one other boy.

On the first week she asked and they complained at her for asking but eventually let her 15 minutes later as she was quite upset.

Second lesson her and one of her best friends asked together if they could share a cubicle with each other but the teachers said no and made them do it in the group.

There's about 9 girls in all and although DD has no specific body esteem issues she just doesn't feel comfortable and I think that should be respected 100%.

Would I be unreasonable to insist either DD gets a cubicle to herself or with a friend or I come and take her into one myself to help her? This will be a pain as it's the town over and I have a baby but I don't want my DD to already be told at this age that she has no right to boundaries.

AIBU?

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CrystalAlice · 23/02/2022 18:02

I doubt if you'd be allowed to go in the changing rooms without being CRB checked (or whatever it's called this week). And if you take your baby in with you, that might create insurance issues.

SummerInSun · 23/02/2022 18:00

But how many changing cubicles do these change rooms have? Surely not enough for each child to have one, or even pair up if there are any left for other pool users? Just go with the practical solution - send her into school with her swimming costume on under her clothes in the morning, and get her a changing towel to use to get changed back into her clothes afterwards. Practice a couple of times at home so she gets the hang of it.

endofagain · 23/02/2022 17:57

At my DD's swimming club they all used poncho towels, not least because it was cold in the changing rooms. Easy to buy or make. I bought a big bath sheet, cut a slit in the middle and blanket stitched it. Amazon sell easy turbans for hair so that it is out of the way and drying while they get dressed. They will all probably want a poncho!

SockFluffInTheBath · 23/02/2022 17:54

When I took a primary class swimming we would use the group girls’ and group boys’ changing rooms but there needs to be a member of staff in there with them (another school in there as well) or standing guard in the door (got it solely for our group). It’s harder if there’s no male staff member to stay with the boys- maybe that’s why they’re in cubicles together if there are others as well in the group room.

Realitydawning98 · 23/02/2022 17:53

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Spud1130 · 23/02/2022 17:51

Rather than a poncho towel which she'd probably struggle to get a top on with, without having to take it off, what about a strip of velcro across the top of her normal towel? She can wrap it round and secure with velcro, pop her bottom half on, pop her top over the top, pull it down and unfasten the towel. No exposure needed.

Wattleanddaub · 23/02/2022 17:48

Are the swimming teachers female/male or a mix? I've found some teachers have concerns about seeing pupils of the opposite gender undressed and might be using the cubicles to prevent that.

I was a bit surprised by it but then I'm not a swim teacher

RandomDent · 23/02/2022 17:45

I used to take school swimming. I hate group changing rooms. However we only ever had behaviour issues in them with boys. I’d wager that’s the issue, unfortunately for your daughter. If it were up to me everyone would have individual or paired changing rooms (there is room for that at our local pool).
Great idea for the poncho towel.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 23/02/2022 17:39

DD is 7 nearly 8 and is also uncomfortable getting changed around the other kids, they still get changed for PE all together boys and girls in the classroom.

I send her into school in her PE kit on PE days, so far school haven't raised it as an issue, if they do then I'll explain. On swimming days we have a Towelling Poncho from Next that she can get changed under. I bought it deliberately in a size way too big so she'd have room to manoeuvre.

The other change that made a big difference was buying pants for her in a shorts style so she has more coverage. Once she's in those she says it's fine and she doesn't need the towel anymore.

www3.next.co.uk/style/st786150/785021#785021

Pants like these

www3.next.co.uk/style/st766523/841505#841505

Unfortunately even so young there have been occasions where some of the boys in the class have asked girls to show them their boobs when getting changed for PE. None of them have boobs yet but that's besides the point.

jmh740 · 23/02/2022 17:38

When I took the children from my class swimming the only changing rooms avaliable were group changing rooms, it could be that that is all the pool provide for the girls at at almost double the number of boys they might not fit in a group cubicle. Staffing wise you need more people to supervise individual changing rooms too.

NotQuiteNormalMe · 23/02/2022 17:38

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping

Maybe they like to keep an eye on the girls (as they should the boys) incase a member of the public shuts themselves in with a girl unnoticed..
So OK for the member of the public to shut themselves in with a young boy?

Op, boundaries are important, she shouldn't be expected to move them because she is young/a girl.

AmbushedByTheCake · 23/02/2022 17:37

For now I would work on the large poncho swimming towels and perhaps practise using it with you at home. This will help her in future scenarios anyway like perhaps when at the beach or similar if she prefers to be like this, and a cubicle is not always available.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:35

@Comedycook Oh I do sympathise as it must be awful to organise and get it right. Just obviously my DDs discomfort is my priority.

Will look into poncho towel though - thank you.

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Iamtheweedonkey · 23/02/2022 17:34

When I have escorted pupils swimming, we literally have to take whatever is available, whether members of the public are there or not. If, the boys are in cubicles, it could be due to a few reasons, lack of communal changing space, behaviour, Sen issues. My kids have to use the a communal area as items tend to get left behind in cubicles, and staff can keep the public out of that area.
I totally understand body changes and embarrassment, however it may be better to teach your dd how to change under a towel.
As for wear the swimsuit to school, the amount of kids who don't have underwear to change into after...Blush

PotteringAlong · 23/02/2022 17:34

Right, cross post. Which assumes that it’s a different changing room set up. Still ask

PotteringAlong · 23/02/2022 17:33

But you have absolutely no idea what the boys changing arrangements are like. So ring the school first and find out.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:33

@Clymene

I don't think you can insist she gets a cubicle when presumably there aren't enough to go round. It's impossible to supervise a group of children when they're in cubicles.

Are you absolutely sure the boys get a cubicle or is that something she's told you? It seems very unlikely.

Can you get her a changing towel?

That's why I thought if I could take her into a cubicle if I helped her they wouldn't have to worry about supervision?

She says she struggles to hold the towel up whilst changing at the same time.

DD and her best friend both said the boys went in in twos but a parent help who went in confirmed for me.

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DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:31

@Crimesean

What, so the boys can have privacy but the girls can't? That's grossly unfair!
Well that's my thoughts exactly!

Why Are the girls single Wd out?

The boys have caused more trouble in the class by far (name calling, making a mess etc) so surely they should be watched more if any?

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Smartiepants79 · 23/02/2022 17:30

You really do need to speak to school and clarify what the situation is.
You can ask and if there is no good reason why not then I’d expect them to agree to it.
I’m not sure you would allowed to go and get her changed as you would not be allowed in with the other children as they’re changing.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:29

@RedskyThisNight

I imagine they arrangements are because of the facilities made available to the school by the pool. So it might not be as easy is "can DD have a cubicle?" as there may not be one available and/or it will make supervision difficult.

Can't she just go in her swim stuff (maybe in a tankini for ease of changing/toilet going) and then get changed back under a towel or even a swimming robe?
Surely she has to change in front of everyone else at PE?

Perhaps that is the case I'm not sure - will ask when I talk to the teacher.

Re: PE due to Covid the last 18 months they've gone into school with their PE kit on for PE days so she doesn't get changed in front of the others.

She won't do it in front of anyone but me and her younger siblings and my Mum.

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MichaelAndEagle · 23/02/2022 17:29

I understand. What about one of those big changing robes you can change underneath for the beach etc.

Chickychoccyegg · 23/02/2022 17:28

I'd phone the school and ask them what the changing situation is, dd may not actually know what the boys changing area is like, there may be no/limited provision of cubicles, and if dd gets one, everyone wants one.
It would be inappropriate for you to go along and get dd changed, do not suggest this as an option.

Soontobe60 · 23/02/2022 17:28

Speak to the teacher to find out why they are expected to share. Meanwhile, can she go to school in her swimming costume under her uniform, and instead of an ordinary towel, get one of those poncho types that she can pop over her head so she’s not trying to get dressed and keep a towel around her at the same time.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:26

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping

Maybe they like to keep an eye on the girls (as they should the boys) incase a member of the public shuts themselves in with a girl unnoticed..
They are lockable from the inside as they are behind doors - a bit like the family ones you get in Butlins/Centre Parcs but a bit smaller.

So as long as they didn't open up I'd imagine it would be safe.

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LittleOwl153 · 23/02/2022 17:25

You certainly would not be unreasonable to ask and to attempt to understand why they have chosen to segregate in this way.
The whole changing thing really gets on my nerves with pe/swimming at school. Why should you HAVE to get changed in front of others just because you are 7/8/9.
My DS is 8 and they get a cubicle each at swimming - which probably means they get changed quicker as noone to mess about with!!

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