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To insist DD has her own cubicle (or one with a friend?)

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DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 17:10

My DD(8, nearly 9) has started swimming lessons in her school this term.

DD doesn't feel comfortable getting changed in front of all the other girls. I asked her do the boys get changed all together and she said no - they share cubicles with one other boy.

On the first week she asked and they complained at her for asking but eventually let her 15 minutes later as she was quite upset.

Second lesson her and one of her best friends asked together if they could share a cubicle with each other but the teachers said no and made them do it in the group.

There's about 9 girls in all and although DD has no specific body esteem issues she just doesn't feel comfortable and I think that should be respected 100%.

Would I be unreasonable to insist either DD gets a cubicle to herself or with a friend or I come and take her into one myself to help her? This will be a pain as it's the town over and I have a baby but I don't want my DD to already be told at this age that she has no right to boundaries.

AIBU?

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Hippee · 23/02/2022 21:18

@Tilltheend99

I was going to agree until I realised it was a public pool and the school have no control over the facilities.

I agree with the suggestion of going already in swim suit and changing back under big dressing gown as someone else suggested.

It’s understandable for your daughter to feel self conscious getting changed at that age. I went to secondary in the 90’s and we all had to line up in front of a big walk through shower, one p.e. teacher at one end would pull the towel off you, you would literally run through as fast as poss barely touching any water and another teacher at the other end would hand the towel back. If you were any slower they would send the next girl in behind and you wouldn’t be able to look each other in the eye for the rest of the day. We all found it bloody awful. The stopped it the year we left and built cubicles.

I think we may have been to the same school. It was horrific wasn't it!
BogRollBOGOF · 23/02/2022 21:18

The simple answer is to get or adapt a towel. Some children (either sex) are self concious by this age as hormones begin to change.

The pool logistics will be down to staffing and facilities. Changing time is limited by a sucession of schools coming in and out and often bus timetabling. There isn't time to allow a sucession of children to take turns to use a limited supply of cubicles.

It tends to be difficult to have an appropriate male to supervise boys. Changing will be arranged due to numbers, pool protocol and supervision needs. It may be more practical to manage the boys safely paired up in cubicles rather than a more communal space with very limited supervision as it's difficult to balance their privacy/ safeguarding and supervision with staffing of the opposite sex.

Gizacluethen · 23/02/2022 21:01

I don't really care the reasons may be. Nobody should be forced to get naked in front of a group of people they're not comfortable with.

Hankunamatata · 23/02/2022 20:54

My boys have change towels. From decathlon that they use when body boarding on the beach

cansu · 23/02/2022 20:51

There is unlikely to be enough changing rooms to allow this. There is also a possibility that the pool allocate them a group change to keep the changing room usable and free for other swimmers. Yes, you would be unreasonable to insist on this. It is also excessive to be suggesting you will come over to get her changed. In your place, I would be explaining the reasons for the group change. I would also be telling her that no one will be looking at her especially as they will be busy getting changed.

Tilltheend99 · 23/02/2022 20:43

I was going to agree until I realised it was a public pool and the school have no control over the facilities.

I agree with the suggestion of going already in swim suit and changing back under big dressing gown as someone else suggested.

It’s understandable for your daughter to feel self conscious getting changed at that age. I went to secondary in the 90’s and we all had to line up in front of a big walk through shower, one p.e. teacher at one end would pull the towel off you, you would literally run through as fast as poss barely touching any water and another teacher at the other end would hand the towel back. If you were any slower they would send the next girl in behind and you wouldn’t be able to look each other in the eye for the rest of the day. We all found it bloody awful. The stopped it the year we left and built cubicles.

Sausagis · 23/02/2022 20:32

These:

towellingwraps.co.uk

Easy to make with 2 towels and a bit of elastic. Can be made with or without arm holes, but if for getting changed it's actually better without IMO.

Mum2jenny · 23/02/2022 20:25

If no sensible resolution with the school, I’d consider withdrawing her from swim lessons and state the reason why. Escalate to the governors if required.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 20:20

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I think you should help your daughter work out what her issues are about changing in front of other girls... are you ever naked in front of each other at home? Or do you more formal?
I'm naked around home if I come out the shower or if she comes in when I'm getting changed.

Also topless fairly often as breastfeed DS still. She's fine with that and she's happy for close family to be around when she does.

She has no specific reason as I have asked she just says she doesn't like being looked at even though she knows they probably aren't looking.

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Midlifemusings · 23/02/2022 20:12

If they have access to 6 cubicles and there are 25 children in the class and each takes 4 minutes to get changed then you are looking at 25 minutes before and after each class for every student to get changed.

It makes sense that the same sex kids as the teacher changes in the bigger room under towels for privacy and the opposite sex kids get the cubicles. Swimming is an essential life skill and not all parent can afford or take their kids to lessons so swimming is school is important. I would hate to see it stopped because parents are complaining about all kids need their own cubicle or the school is violating their rights.

DiscordandRhyme · 23/02/2022 20:11

@Spud1130

Rather than a poncho towel which she'd probably struggle to get a top on with, without having to take it off, what about a strip of velcro across the top of her normal towel? She can wrap it round and secure with velcro, pop her bottom half on, pop her top over the top, pull it down and unfasten the towel. No exposure needed.
That's an idea - thank you.
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Liveandkicking · 23/02/2022 20:10

Having supervised lots of children getting changed at swimming pools over the years as a teacher, it’s probably for purely practical rather than sexist reasons.

I think you be much better off finding a good towelling coat or towelling poncho because likely the school just won’t be able to accommodate your request.

BoredZelda · 23/02/2022 20:01

Unfortunately even so young there have been occasions where some of the boys in the class have asked girls to show them their boobs when getting changed for PE. None of them have boobs yet but that's besides the point.

I assume this was swiftly dealt with by staff.

ldontWanna · 23/02/2022 20:00

@MissMaple82

Somebody mentioned a tankini. Only full swimming costumes are allowed. I remember as a child feeling the exact same way, unfortunately they can't make allowances for one child as then that is obviously unfair treatment and would have to make allowances for all. I think it's just part of growing i'm afraid, I'm not sure it's something that can be respected. Either that or don't swim.
Being naked in front of others when you don't want to be is not part of growing up. Children's privacy and boundaries is definitely something that should be respected.
Wheelz46 · 23/02/2022 19:59

This is a really difficult one, the sports centre my son attended with school was the opposite issue.

There was a communal girls changing room but lots of cubicles that the girls were allowed to go in as there was sufficient rooms for each girl. However in the boys changing rooms there was not enough cubicles and a couple of the boys felt uncomfortable getting changed in the communal room (including my son). I spoke to school about it and they said as there was no additional needs they couldn't let them use the cubicles because if every kid might want to do the same if they see others using them.

I ended up buying him a poncho towel, he wasn't too impressed with it but preferred it to the alternative.

STARCATCHER22 · 23/02/2022 19:59

To clarify, you think it’s unusual that a teacher might not be comfortable seeing children of the opposite sex naked unless they’re secondary school age. Seems a little odd to me.

I completely agree that your DD shouldn’t have to change communally if she is uncomfortable but please don’t make out it’s odd for the female teachers to not be comfortable seeing male students naked. I would assume you would not be happy for a male teacher to see your daughter naked.

PosyBoo · 23/02/2022 19:57

My DD8 is the same, feels uncomfortable changing in front of others. She’s a regular swimmer so I invested in a towelling dryrobe (sorry if one has already been suggested) It’s huge so will hopefully last a long while but being so oversized also means that it’s nice a long so she really can just remove her arms and change completely underneath it. Certainly sorted the issue for us ☺️

SeasonFinale · 23/02/2022 19:55

Maybe just maybe it is female member of staff supervising the boys hence the need for them to use cubicles.

Wrinklefree · 23/02/2022 19:52

Are the boys on the male changing rooms and the girls in the female 1’s?

Pinkyxx · 23/02/2022 19:50

Get her to wear her costume under her uniform to go and teach her to pull her skirt on and wrap a towel round her top and roll her costume off underneath it.

My DD had this issue in year 5 and ended up being exposed half naked to the boys in her class (largely due to lack of supervision and a spiteful girl in her class who thought it was hilarious to shove her though the door into the part the boys were changing in with only her knickers on). Above was my solution.

MissMaple82 · 23/02/2022 19:48

Somebody mentioned a tankini. Only full swimming costumes are allowed. I remember as a child feeling the exact same way, unfortunately they can't make allowances for one child as then that is obviously unfair treatment and would have to make allowances for all. I think it's just part of growing i'm afraid, I'm not sure it's something that can be respected. Either that or don't swim.

strawberryapricotpie · 23/02/2022 19:48

@Santaslittlemelter

Get her a towel she is able to change in, like a poncho but enclosed.

I’d not be too pleased about either of my dds feeling so uncomfortable with other girls catching a glimpse of their body while changing. I’d be teaching them it’s totally and utterly normal to be partially dressed and even nude in some situations.

Body autonomy and good body confidence should BOTH be important. She’s acting like this because she’s been over taught about autonomy and now she’s ashamed.

WTAF did I just read???
Hippee · 23/02/2022 19:48

It's probably a numbers thing. My friend was chaperoning a dance show and one parent asked for her child to change separately. It meant that one child took half of the helpers for the group. Have they asked for parent helpers? I think you should volunteer if so.

Bibbidybobbidybooboo · 23/02/2022 19:47

Get, or make, a changing robe - basically a giant poncho made of beach towels, that's what I did for my kids.

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