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To be concerned about the rise of antisemitism in the UK?

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hibbledibble · 27/01/2022 16:17

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10447069/Terrifying-moment-Jewish-shop-owners-suffer-random-anti-Semitic-attack-London-street.html

Sorry that this is a daily mail article, but such events are common, but rarely reported on.

Antisemitism has increased at a worrying rate recently, and there seems to be little concern about this.

An example of antisemitism being tolerated, is that when footage of the above crime was posted to a local group on social media, some were saying that these men may have deserved the assault, and unpleasant comments made about Jews.

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Frazzled50yrold · 27/01/2022 19:41

It's terrifying and worrying that in such a small poll 16% think you're being unreasonable.

Greywhippet · 27/01/2022 19:39

@Otherpeoplesteens

My last MP was Rebecca Long-Bailey.

'Nuff said. The rot starts at the top.

Is Rebecca Long Bailey an antisemite? What has she said? What has she done? Where is the evidence for that? It trivialises a serious and pernicious form of racism to throw out random slurs. Maybe save the anti semite label for actual anti semites? Who do deserve to be condemned.
JbSmCn · 27/01/2022 19:38

Whatever your position on Israel, there is no excuse for anti-semitism.

I'm not Jewish but I have lit a candle this evening in memory of the millions of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust.

awaynboilyurheid · 27/01/2022 19:35

Not Jewish but my husband has Jewish ancestors, we will light a candle and put it in the window tonight.
Like others I don’t think it’s right to blame the more left political leaning solely for anti semitism, it needs to be called out on any political sphere. The responsibility is for all of us to stand together against anti semitism.

knitnerd90 · 27/01/2022 19:23

@Isaw3ships

‘ I’m Jewish too and agree, it’s the last form of acceptable racism. “Because Israel”. hmm’

Some People are antisemitic because they’re are racist bigots. It’s got nothing to do with Israel.
It is possible to disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and the sympathise with the suffering of Palestinian people while not being in the least bit anti-Semitic.

Of course it's possible and in fact Jews do it all the time. But there's always this response - "you can criticise Israel..." and no one said you can't! We are pointing out how it's used as deflection. Because some bad actors weaponise it to dismiss all criticism of Israel, others refuse to consider whether or not they've crossed the line. Arguments about antisemitism regularly turn into political debates about Israel.

I've lost count of the times (and yes this is worse in the UK) when someone finds out I'm Jewish and starts asking me about Israel, or making assumptions about my beliefs, or thinking that random non-Israeli Jews should be tsk'ed at over it.

anon12345678901 · 27/01/2022 19:23

@Isaw3ships

Who the f is voting that a rise in antisemitism isn’t worrying?? 13% FFS.
People who should be ashamed of themselves.
Isaw3ships · 27/01/2022 19:18

‘ do think we need to teach more about the holocaust at a younger age in schools. Leaving it until 13 plus which is what they seem to do now - if at all- just isn’t good enough.’

In detail It’s a KS3 topic, part of WW2, and TBH I don’t think it’s suitable for kids younger than that in any detail.
It is taught in primary schools, my 9’year old know about the Nazis and the has chambers. They’re taught about the Holocaust.
Anti Semitic parents are the issue, not the school curriculum

TheGratefulBread · 27/01/2022 19:14

It seems that you can't mention antisemitism these days, without one (or both) of two responses.

The first is to mention Israel. Never mind the fact, antisemitism as been around for millennia, and pretty much every single antisemitic trope predates Israel by centuries. They don't call it the oldest form of hatred in the world for nothing.

The second is whataboutery. "What about this or that group, they have it worse." That kind of thing. I bet they never "what about" anyone of other minority groups, but it's fine to do it to us Jews. And I'm sick of it.

There is, I'm afraid, a sense of things aren't that bad, because hey, it's not the Holocaust again. However, the Holocaust didn't begin with building the camps and gassing Jews. It began with low-level antisemitism, and slowly built up, over time. And that's why some of us keep a 'just in case' bag packed, because we know from family experience, just how this might end up.

emuloc · 27/01/2022 19:11

TheGratefulBread That is why I asked another poster that question. To feel that you are being erased from your own genocide must be dreadful.Flowers

KeepingAnOpenMind · 27/01/2022 19:10

David Baddiel’s book Not all Jews is excellent.
Anti Semitism and criticism of Israel is perfectly acceptable to the left but they never criticise human rights abuses in China for example.
Perhaps the Chinese are not Jewish enough for them.

TheGratefulBread · 27/01/2022 19:03

Really? Do you think that it should not be mentioned that other groups of people were killed as well in the Holocaust? Why is that?

Because 'The Holocaust' refers specifically to the genocide of European Jews.

Many other groups were also targeting by the wider Nazi persecution, and no-one is disputing that, but to talk of The Holocaust is to talk about six million Jews.

I've noticed last year, and this year, that more and more individuals and and organisations post messages about The Holocaust on HMD, without specifically mentioning Jews. We are being erased from our own genocide.

Bagelsandbrie · 27/01/2022 19:01

I am shocked in the rise in this. I just don’t understand what’s happened to cause such an increase in this particular hate crime. It’s just horrendous.

I do think we need to teach more about the holocaust at a younger age in schools. Leaving it until 13 plus which is what they seem to do now - if at all- just isn’t good enough.

DrSbaitso · 27/01/2022 18:58

@Isaw3ships

Who the f is voting that a rise in antisemitism isn’t worrying?? 13% FFS.
Antisemites.
HTH1 · 27/01/2022 18:58

This is just horrible, I can’t understand why anyone would even feel that way, let alone act like that.

emuloc · 27/01/2022 18:57

@Sashimimimi

Really? Do you think that it should not be mentioned that other groups of people were killed as well in the Holocaust? Why is that?

That isn’t what I said. Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s common knowledge that the nazis murdered anyone they didn’t class as aryan and physically or mentally healthy. And of course all of those victims deserve to be acknowledged and remembered.

But the word “holocaust” refers specifically to the genocide of Europe’s Jews. The industrialised mass murder of millions of Jewish people. The Jewish population of Europe was virtually eradicated.

That’s what Holocaust Memorial Day is intended to commemorate. The destruction of millions of people, of the entire world of Ashkenazi Jewish Europe.

The guardian article complains about the ‘marginalisation’ of other victims of the Nazis, on Holocaust Memorial Day. This comes across as seeking to minimise the fact that the Holocaust was the genocide of the Jewish people.

I was not trying to put words into your mouth at all. I was asking a question.
IsThePopeCatholic · 27/01/2022 18:55

@SickAndTiredAgain

To be fair to the guardian, that article linked above was an opinion piece written by the chief exec and the senior communications officer at the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust (it says at the end of the article). Not massively unreasonable people to have write an opinion piece on the topic
I thought the article in the Guardian was fine. In France, and maybe elsewhere, the Jewish holocaust is referred to as the Shoah, to distinguish it from other - usually smaller scale - genocides . I agree that this distinction should be made.
Isaw3ships · 27/01/2022 18:53

Who the f is voting that a rise in antisemitism isn’t worrying?? 13% FFS.

Sloth66 · 27/01/2022 18:52

I just watched the footage of the two elderly men being attacked in London. Awful to see. Attacks seem to be on the rise, but not well publicized.

Isaw3ships · 27/01/2022 18:51

‘ I’m Jewish too and agree, it’s the last form of acceptable racism. “Because Israel”. hmm’

Some People are antisemitic because they’re are racist bigots. It’s got nothing to do with Israel.
It is possible to disagree with the actions of the Israeli government and the sympathise with the suffering of Palestinian people while not being in the least bit anti-Semitic.

CityMumma78 · 27/01/2022 18:47

YANBU - this is shocking and sad! I’m disgusted this is happening in my country in 2022! Where is the outrage??? Where is the media coverage??? Where is the justice???
The Left have shown their true colours with antisemitism and would rather concern themselves with gender identification.

EdithStourton · 27/01/2022 18:44

if you really want to be political you have people like Farage and his right-wing, Brexit-loving, ,minority-hating lot to thank for that...
I mentioned upthread that our local Labour candidate at the last election told me he'd been quizzed on many doorsteps about Labour antisemitism. And I live in a strongly Tory-voting and Brexit-supporting constituency.

So I don't think its as simple as 'hate crimes increase because Nigel...' (and I'm not a fan of Nige, and I don't vote Tory).

tara66 · 27/01/2022 18:41

I will put a small torchlight in window tonight as cannot find any matches.

Duke4 · 27/01/2022 18:41

I will also add that the British Jewish population is around 0.5%. It’s grotesque and downright creepy to hound the community with antisemitism; whether it’s “free Palestine” taunts in Jewish areas or old fashioned Christian rooted bigotry. The community is TINY and we need to protect our Jews.

Sashimimimi · 27/01/2022 18:40

I understand why you think it shouldn't be, I really do, but the Guardian isn't to blame. There's nothing wrong with remembering the people who died alongside Jews under the same horrific circumstances.

Fair enough 🤷‍♀️ I think it’s breathtakingly anti semitic of the guardian to claim that other victims of the Nazis have been marginalised by the focus on Jews.

woodhill · 27/01/2022 18:40

Yes I remember so called Christians being anti semitic. ... because the Jews crucified Jesus but imo any group of people would have behaved in the same way at that time and it was Pontious Pilate who had the last say on it anyway