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To think this cartoon is NOT appropriate for an 11-year-old!?

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CowboyJo · 23/01/2022 21:31

So my eldest daughter is 11 and has started high school a few months ago. She's always been quite 'nerdy' in terms of her interests and has made a small group of friends into the same kind of things (Roblox, Pokemon, manga and drawing)

They sound nice enough girls from what she tells me (though slightly pampered) but ever since she's started at that school, the amount of times I had to tell her off for swearing recently was disgraceful.

Anyway while monitoring my daughter's iPad found she was really into this particular cartoon she loved. I don't know if its called Hazzun Hotel or Helluva Boss because its under both names(?) but I'm sure it's the same show. It looks like a child's show on the surface but I closely watched some of the episodes and it was absolutely shocking: loads of casual effing and blinding, crude jokes(like sex and bdsm, prostitutes).

When I found this out I talked to my daughter about it and told her it wasn't an appropriate thing for someone her age to be watching, but she argued back like "But all my friends watch it! We're not babies anymore!" etc. etc.

I spoke to DH about it and he thinks I was over the top to ban her from watching the cartoon completely because she loves it, just as long as she doesn't repeat the behaviours. But I'm not happy with that.

I'm not stupid I know she wouldn't of picked up the swearing from that show alone, but it really isn't content I'm happy to let her watch. The show has NOT FOR KIDS in each video so DD knows she shouldn't be watching it.

But am I being unreasonable to forbid her completely from watching it?

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BobbyBiscuits · 30/04/2024 08:41

I personally wouldn't ban it. It seems like it's aimed at slightly older teens upwards, but it's not like it's gory and scary and realistic, with graphic sex scenes? As for there being a prostitute character, well I'm sure I'm not the only one who watched and loved Pretty Woman aged around 12.
Just tell her you will consider banning it if she continues swearing in front of you or other adults. I'm just thinking that shows like south park and family guy must be in a similar vain? I've seen it but only briefly.

Rubberducky118 · 30/04/2024 08:33

I watch Helluva Boss and I've seen a lot of controversies surrounding the creator. Just because it's a cartoon doesn't mean its FOR KIDS. In fact, at the very start of every single episode, it has a warning about the adult humour and content. It's the same for Hazbin hotel too. If your child is watching it, definitely have a talk to her about it but don't make it out as if it's bad. Its bad if she's swearing but don't make her feel like she's done something wrong. I babysat a 15 year old who was watching Hazbin hotel and told me that he got grounded for drawing a character because of the character being named after a drug. He seemed to like the show and me and him shared the interest. But, I think that if you monitor what your child does, then it's fine to let them watch it as long as they're not doing anything bad like swearing or smoking. Let them enjoy these shows because, Helluva boss and Hazbin hotel is a great independent animated show and it's written for ADULTS. NOT A KIDS SHOW IN DISGUISE TRYING TO BRAINWASH KIDS. ITS MEANT FOR ADULTS. It's 15+ in Australia and I have no idea why its 12+ in the UK. So my advice?? Let them enjoy it. Don't pressure them into thinking that if they watch something thats a bit too old for them that they're doing something wrong. Try and watch it for yourself, and see if you think you like it or set boundaries for them. The shows cover a lot of sensitive topics like abuse, SA, and Trauma, but it's funny. Only thing is that it's set in Hell. It's suprisingly kind of biblically accurate (Hazbin hotel) with its own spin on it. It's not that offensive to Christians unless you're VERY religious. It has LGBTQIA+ representation in it, so it might be bad for some other religions, but ITS A GOOD SHOW.

CowboyJoanna · 05/10/2023 20:33

UPDATE

I am the OP on a new account. Thank you for all your insightful comments.
I've given up trying to stop her watching it now. It's not content I particularly want her to watch but the more I stop her, the more she'd dig her heels in. Her behaviour is still difficult but we are managing it, and we're under no illusion that the show caused it.

As a matter of fact, DD had her 13th birthday in July, and DH bought her a mug with two of the main characters on it - a cute red demon with horns, and a fluffy owl thing (think their names are Blitz and Solar, the mug itself is very cute not offensive). She absolutely loves it and uses it as a penpot because she doesn't want her tea to stain it

tilapiasovietica · 11/07/2023 04:34

The series is lots of fun and would reccomend for when your child is more than 14 years old and already known about all the inappropriate stuff

loonafromboss · 03/07/2023 20:26

There are clean versions for your kid to watch! Bet all of the parents will say yes to the clean versions I watch the normal with my dad and he is like don't care. My mother I watch the clean with her she said only if I watch the clean first

loonafromboss · 03/07/2023 20:24

There are clean versions for your child to WATCH and there amazing I watch them with my parents and they actually said yes to the clean!

HelloIlikeRandomShit · 23/06/2023 14:33

'Hazzun Hotel' is actually called Hazbin Hotel and it is 12a because it has a pretty happy-go-lucky plot the plot is to redeem demons in a hotel run by the princess of Hell,if a demon got redeemed they get sent to heaven
To be honest, I'd let my child watch this IF they didn't talk to people younger than them about it AND not do anything\say anything from the show :)

SleepyWarlord · 21/05/2023 14:45

I've seen all the Helluva Boss episodes and although it's a great show it's definitely not for kids, there's loads of swearing including severe ones like the f bomb, tons of blood, gore, and violence, lots of sexual jokes, etc. I would wait until she's at least 17 to watch it.

Red9republic · 21/04/2023 01:21

CowboyJo · 23/01/2022 21:31

So my eldest daughter is 11 and has started high school a few months ago. She's always been quite 'nerdy' in terms of her interests and has made a small group of friends into the same kind of things (Roblox, Pokemon, manga and drawing)

They sound nice enough girls from what she tells me (though slightly pampered) but ever since she's started at that school, the amount of times I had to tell her off for swearing recently was disgraceful.

Anyway while monitoring my daughter's iPad found she was really into this particular cartoon she loved. I don't know if its called Hazzun Hotel or Helluva Boss because its under both names(?) but I'm sure it's the same show. It looks like a child's show on the surface but I closely watched some of the episodes and it was absolutely shocking: loads of casual effing and blinding, crude jokes(like sex and bdsm, prostitutes).

When I found this out I talked to my daughter about it and told her it wasn't an appropriate thing for someone her age to be watching, but she argued back like "But all my friends watch it! We're not babies anymore!" etc. etc.

I spoke to DH about it and he thinks I was over the top to ban her from watching the cartoon completely because she loves it, just as long as she doesn't repeat the behaviours. But I'm not happy with that.

I'm not stupid I know she wouldn't of picked up the swearing from that show alone, but it really isn't content I'm happy to let her watch. The show has NOT FOR KIDS in each video so DD knows she shouldn't be watching it.

But am I being unreasonable to forbid her completely from watching it?

There are so many things way worse than this, it's a lighthearted introduction into the realities of the world, it's even more so softened by comedy. Definitely over reacting. I mean grand theft auto exist, violent content of all types exist, it's not leading to violent actions by any means. The show is simply funny as hell. Pun intended.

zingally · 29/12/2022 14:14

We were watching Southpark at the same sort of age, which sounds very similar in terms of content. It's fine.

SammyScrounge · 29/12/2022 10:02

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/01/2022 22:32

So, how's construction of a lead lined cupboard for her to stay in for the next 8 years or so going?

She leaves the house without you. She will watch it (and a whole lot more). She will swear - and if you think what she says at home is bad, you really don't want to be anywhere near a secondary school at breaktime or the bus stop at 3.30pm. And if you think that taking away access to a cartoon rated 12a will cause anything but her to not trust you with anything, you will be very much mistaken.

In other words, you would surrender the parental responsibility of providing guidance, or, heaven forbid, a veto. You would let your child normalise filth in her mind in the hope that she will trust you by confiding worse filth?
Little girls aged 11 should not be familiar with BDSM. Nor should they be allowed to swear. Of course she may do these things away from home but there will always be a little voice telling her she's wrong if you put it there.

Notimeforaname · 29/12/2022 01:56

This thread is a year old.

NoneOfYourBiz · 29/12/2022 01:43

A few things (don't get offended), It's Hazbin Hotel, Have any of you people watched the show? if your kid is watching it they know what most if not all of the sexual implications, and swearing mean, I know I knew what a prostitute/sex worker was at that age. However, you can parent how you'd like thy're not my child. Helluva boss is the same situation, my younger sibling is 12 and I know he watches both Helluva boss and Hazbin Hotel it 100% says for mature audiences but in my opinion, if your child already understands what the show(s) are about then I'd say let them have at it. If they want to "End their precious childhood" so be it. sincerely, someone, you'll never meet~

user55875537986543 · 03/11/2022 09:39

Just to add, my 11 year old knows what prostitution is from the news. They also know it’s horrible and that many women are trafficked (family member is a human rights lawyer). They’re not sheltered from real life but they learn about this with adult support and adults who they can ask questions to.

user55875537986543 · 03/11/2022 09:37

Wow. OP, YANBU.

My 11 year old would never, ever be allowed to watch this. My 11 year old still watches mainly CBBC (and a bit of CBeebies because of younger siblings).

I know my child had a few friends at school who are allowed to watch thing rated 15 and 18. They’re not friendships encouraged out of school and they aren’t allowed phones at school (my children don’t have phones anyway) so I know my child isn’t seeing anything inappropriate.

I’m fine with my child watching 12 and some 15 rated things with me - it depends why the rating is high. Anything with a WHIFF of misogyny is NOT OK and we talk about it and I explain why it’s not ok.

The parents who say “meh, they’ll watch it elsewhere if I ban in” - that’s just so defeatist. There are many more parents I know with children in years 6 and 7 who are really careful about what their children see than those who turn a blind eye.

11 is still a child. Yes they push boundaries, but as a pp said, talking to them and watching things together is the way forward.

Also, one thing I remind my children is that you can’t unsee/unhear things. They’ve seen horrible images before and been upset and they understand that when I say no you can’t watch Squid Games (which was a recent request because it was mentioned at school), they understand why. I told them what it’s about, was truthful about what happens in episode one (only one I’ve watched) and explained that I found the images hard to shake off and knew they'd also feel the same. They agreed.

At 11, I can confidently say that I do know 99% of what my children watch because they only have access to tv on the actual TV. They don’t have tablets and they only use laptops for homework (they live downstairs). They watch a range of things but my 11 year old is curtailed by having younger siblings - so can’t watch a 12A with me unless the younger ones are in bed for example.

Anyway. Just trust your instincts OP. Just because other people are ok with exposing children to this crap doesn’t mean it’s ok.

Mummyongin · 03/11/2022 08:09

I think this speaks to a bigger issue that times have changed so much since we were that age - so how on earth do we prepare our kids for a world we didn’t experience?!

When we were pre-teens, there was no YouTube or smartphones. Shows like that would be broadcast after 10pm and many families only had 1 TV in the living room. Nowadays banning tv shows does nothing to limit kids exposure to adult material. It doesn’t protect them like it used to.

As many people have said, banning the show will encourage her to not come to you with issues that she sees on screen which disturb or upset her. But even worse - it blames her for her exposure to disturbing adult content. She is living in a world where she will be exposed to this stuff everywhere, including lots from peers, the internet, social media etc. We need a different way to protect kids now - which is about creating a space at home where they can make sense of this stuff and share the impact of it.

Letthekidsplay · 03/11/2022 07:31

Unfortunately if all her friends are watching you probably won’t be able to stop her as they’ll have it in their phones etc when they’re together….

Superwash · 03/11/2022 06:56

If you're going to give her devicesand let her out of the house you're not going to stop her watching.

I tend to agree with you that it would be better if she didn't, but I'm a pragmatist, so better to try and create a situation where you can talk about the issues.

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 03/11/2022 06:55

Heres a breakdown of the language content for Helluva Boss. Not good for an 11 year old.

●Constant swearing throughout. Mostly the F (f*k) word and S (s*t) word.

●Characters call each other slut, dumb-ass, retarded, etc.

●There are some bleeped out anatomical words, mostly for comedic effect

●Loona gives Moxxie the middle finger.

●A character calls a women "prude"

●Lots of sexual profanity. Words like dck, cck pssy, whre, pegs, and many others.

●1 use of c*cksucker

Sunnyqueen · 03/11/2022 06:51

When it's not appropriate. That's the difference. Majority of these kids know to act sweet as pie around adults and not let on they know about this stuff. Your problem is her lack of respect for you. I was allowed to do watch and listen to what I wanted and I did but I wouldn't have dared in a million years swearing in front of adults.

Sunnyqueen · 03/11/2022 06:49

Thing is you can try to ban it but it won't work/she will just find something else.
Also do you not check group chats? They are all swearing and talking wildly inappropriate about all sorts of stuff in them. So even if you ban all the media in the world she will still be exposed to it at school/socially. Your problem is more she is repeating it when it

grey12 · 03/11/2022 05:01

MaizeAmaze · 23/01/2022 21:51

I think Helluva Boss is rated 15.
I'd be unhappy with the topics mentioned, and would ban it here.

I wouldn't like it for my kids.....

Also don't be fooled by what a show "looks like". Happy Tree Friends is the cutest most adorable thing ever!!! Until heads start rolling, literally........ you can google it but don't watch it.....

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Rosebean92liveson · 26/01/2022 11:04

@Rivermonsters

Anyway I doubt DD will understand the bdsm jokes
They aren’t jokes though there are actual scenes depicting it, between two characters, one had a ball gag and was tied up
CowboyJo · 25/01/2022 19:32

@aristotlesdeathray Please stop it.
It has not been age rated. Apparently hasn't even been televised it's an online cartoon.
www.bbfc.co.uk/search?q=hazbin%20hotel

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