Do you remember Heather Mills?

@EYProvider

You sound very angry and aggressive. Why is this such a personal issue for you?

Right, because the odds are really strong that Chapman would have an interest in art.

I believe he sold a Salvador Dali as well. Any yes, it’s really fucking unlikely that he would have these things lying around his house.

And oh, I forgot another small detail. He’d been on a round the world trip IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION a couple of years before.

For anyone who knows anything about John and Yoko, Yoko also sent John on a trip in a Westerly direction round about the same time.

Anyone who can’t see this for what it is is stupid frankly. They weren’t even clever about it. Obviously the internet had not been invented, so it didn’t seem likely that anyone would twig. Also, Beatles fans tend to be a bit black and white in their outlook. Years of propaganda will do that to you.

Just wanted to point out that the fabled Norman Rockwell painting was actually a lithograph that Chapman sold for $7500, not the Mona Lisa. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that even MC had such a thing legitimately.

Do you think both Anger and Chapman both just made up a story about meeting in Hawaii, @CPL593H?

Why would they do that? It doesn’t make any sense?

And why was Anger at the crime scene? Was that just random event?

Sorry - but no one is that fucking gullible. Apart from John Lennon, perhaps, but even he had a motive to be the most legendary rock star in the history of time.

Well, all the things I mentioned actually happened and I think indicate a state of mind that was rather healthier and more in control than you are implying.

Also, Kenneth Anger is no ones idea of a reliable and truthful witness/narrator and neither for that matter is Mark Chapman.

Other than that his final weeks were spent selling that image he wanted everyone to believe, of course.

The Ballard was a fantasy, @CPL593H. None of it was real. He even sang about that, over and over.

The truth is, that John Lennon in his final days was a mess. Look at him - he was skeletal:

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/john-lennons-last-photo-shoot-251278

So you don’t give any credence to actual events that happened @CPL593H. You prefer your own instincts, which are based on, what? John meeting Ringo? Talking to fans? Releasing an album?

What has any of that got to do with it?

@TomPinch - I absolutely agree with that. These were sick, sick people, and that sickness was caused by a combination of obscene wealth, gullibility, boredom and drugs.

Also, they were surrounded by some very dubious people, and he at least was too weak and too helpless to prevent them taking advantage of him. Brian Epstein had protected John by keeping him away from dangerous people like this. When Brian died, there was no one to provide that protection. I think Paul tried, but he was public enemy number one as far as Yoko was concerned - to be kept away from John at all costs.

I don't give any credence to Kenneth "Aleister Crowley wannabe" Anger and Lennon's actual murderer backing each other up about anything, I'm afraid.

I remember that time very well (as an adult) and JL appeared to be a great deal more sorted than he had been at times, Double Fantasy was a good album and he was out and about, interacting with fans (strangely, he was always v decent with them for such a tricky character) and seemed to find joy in Sean. OK, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors but he certainly wasn't presenting as being unwell/having a death wish or anything close. He'd seen Ringo a few weeks earlier and he found it/him very positive, too.

You don’t have to look very far to find proof of any of it.

I posted a link to article that was written by Sam Green itself - don’t know how you can say that isn’t a reputable source. I also posted a link to the will.

The Hartford Courant article is online - it’s called ‘The Day John’s Music Died’, you don’t have to look too far to find it, and Anger’s biographer, Bill Landis, wrote extensively about the Hawaii meeting (‘The Unauthorised Biography of Kenneth Anger’, Landis). Both Chapman and Anger have also confirmed it in interviews.

Green went on the record with Goldman about his affair with Yoko, but it is very well documented elsewhere.

What else is missing?

Fwiw I'm finding the Lennon-Ono tangent really interesting, although I think all we can take from it is when one is discussing a bunch of very rich druggies, the usual assumptions and theories don't apply.

Juliaca,

Child support is a statutory obligation owed by the non-custodial parent to make payments to the custodial parent to support their children. It isn't an entitlement to raid a rich person's estate just because you happened to be married to them and have a child with them. In any event Mccartney and Mills had equal custody. From the judgment:

So far as the future is concerned I find that both parties will look after Beatrice under the shared care arrangements agreed by them last June before the Senior District Judge. i.e. Beatrice's time with each parent is, and will be, split equally.

Yes dear.

Incidentally you keep saying that all this is well known, you can read about it on the Internet...but don't provide any links to reputable sources.

What’s your theory on Kenneth Anger meeting Chapman in Hawaii and then turning up at the crime scene then, @TheBoots. I haven’t made this up - IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

And how do you imagine that Chapman got the money to get his hands on a Norman Rockwell painting? In fact, let me just repeat that bit in case anyone missed it - Chapman bought a ticket to New York by selling a NORMAN ROCKWELL PAINTING.

Is that not a dead giveaway to anyone with half a brain?

Or have you been so taken in by the shit Yoko has sold you over the years - about her feminism, abuse by John and victimisation as an oppressed Asian woman - that you just can’t read between the lines?

It’s just … mind-blowing that you could read all that and dismiss it.

He has strong genes ! All his kids have that melty face look !

Yoko’s talent is in constructing an image and using it to sell a narrative and influence people. The Ballard of John and Yoko was a construction she/they created - none of it was real.

Yes, the money went to her, not Sam Green. Because she didn’t die. The plan did not come off how it was supposed to (or how it was sold to John) obviously.

Wow. Just wow. Might want to adjust your tinfoil hat there...

So where does Yokos commitment to peace and love come into all this? A bit at odds with the Satanism ? Or is that a front too? In the event that john died , everything was left to her, so Sam Green doesn't really matter, does he?

There was no investigation into the case because Chapman admitted that he did it. Case closed.

@CPL593H

The will is linked to further up the thread, as well as an article about the Barbara Baekeland murder. Sam Green and Yoko both admitted to the affair. Green talked extensively about it.

Anger’s links to the Church of Satan are well documented. Both he and Chapman have admitted that they met in Hawaii. Anger was interviewed by the Hartford Courant at the crime scene - the article is online.

@EYProvider , honestly, what actual proof is there for any of this?

Of course, for Sam Green to get access to the Lennono millions, they both needed to die, but that didn’t happen.

Meanwhile, Yoko was also having an affair with Sam Havadtoy, her interior designer.

I can see the link there, @julieca.

John supposedly took drugs fairly regularly. I am sure he said all kinds of stuff he didn't mean.
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