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Do you remember Heather Mills?

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LucilleBluth · 28/11/2021 18:52

I have been watching the Beatles documentary and got to thinking about her.

She was in the papers constantly in the 2000s, I remember her being painted as an absolute con artist witch. I googled a few articles about her from the time of the divorce. They are brutal in the misogynistic tone, she’s labelled as a slag, a goer, ex prostitute, you name it.

I don’t think papers write about women in such hash terms anymore. Maybe she was a bit of a twat, whoever married Saint Paul would have suffered at that time I think.

I suppose by AIBU is are the press less misogynistic.

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Sparklingbrook · 04/12/2021 12:07

On the back of this thread I have started to watch the Get Back documentary thingy on Disney Plus , I am an hour into the first episode but I'm not gripped at all, is it worth persevering?Has anyone watched the whole thing (there's a lot of it!).

TomPinch · 04/12/2021 02:20

The unpleasing waft of sleb dirty laundry.

YokoOnosHat · 04/12/2021 01:25

@TomPinch

I've never paid much attention to McCartney or Mills, not being a huge Beatles fan (although I do like Sergeant Pepper) and uninterested in sleb gossip.

But this thread got me interested enough to read the court judgment and, oh dear, what a sorry story. Mills doesn't come out of it looking good.

She argued that she had been independently wealthy before she and McCartney got together and that he'd controlled her and caused her to lose income. For that reason (among many others) she claimed money from him.

But in alleging this she got basic things wrong on her evidence, eg, when she'd bought a house, and what she'd sold it for. To be clear, this was affidavit evidence, not something she'd blurted out in the witness box. She had the opportunity to check.

The judge said her evidence was unreliable: she wasn't rich before, and her earnings had actually increased during her marriage.

Oh, and some years it was hard to tell because she hadn't filed tax returns. If you're earning heaps, you'd think that at least HMRC should know about it.

It's clear that almost all the properties concerned were clearly McCartney's and Mills had no fair claim on them.

She alleged McCartney was tight, and didn't support her charity work. The court found this was, as a simple matter of fact, wrong.

Her best claim was that she should be kept in something like the style she'd been accustomed to in her marriage. Which means McCartney wasn't tight.

The most misogynistic part of this is the idea what if Beauty puts her hand in the Beast's paw, the Beast is ungallant if he doesn't shower Beauty with gold and expect her to take away even more when she leaves. That's the only way anyone can say Mills was hard done by.

@TomPinch

Dear Lord, what a sad little life, Heather. You ruined my life, completely, so you could have the money, but I hope now you spend it on getting some lessons in grace and decorum because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on.

Paul McCartney statement, post family court judgement, February 2008

TomPinch · 04/12/2021 01:00

I've never paid much attention to McCartney or Mills, not being a huge Beatles fan (although I do like Sergeant Pepper) and uninterested in sleb gossip.

But this thread got me interested enough to read the court judgment and, oh dear, what a sorry story. Mills doesn't come out of it looking good.

She argued that she had been independently wealthy before she and McCartney got together and that he'd controlled her and caused her to lose income. For that reason (among many others) she claimed money from him.

But in alleging this she got basic things wrong on her evidence, eg, when she'd bought a house, and what she'd sold it for. To be clear, this was affidavit evidence, not something she'd blurted out in the witness box. She had the opportunity to check.

The judge said her evidence was unreliable: she wasn't rich before, and her earnings had actually increased during her marriage.

Oh, and some years it was hard to tell because she hadn't filed tax returns. If you're earning heaps, you'd think that at least HMRC should know about it.

It's clear that almost all the properties concerned were clearly McCartney's and Mills had no fair claim on them.

She alleged McCartney was tight, and didn't support her charity work. The court found this was, as a simple matter of fact, wrong.

Her best claim was that she should be kept in something like the style she'd been accustomed to in her marriage. Which means McCartney wasn't tight.

The most misogynistic part of this is the idea what if Beauty puts her hand in the Beast's paw, the Beast is ungallant if he doesn't shower Beauty with gold and expect her to take away even more when she leaves. That's the only way anyone can say Mills was hard done by.

EYProvider · 03/12/2021 13:29

@LoveMySituation

There are TV interviews with both Paul and George Martin where they talk about this. Apparently Yoko had written to them telling them to go round the world in a westerly direction as well. It was her latest thing in 77-78, when John and Chapman both made the journey.

LoveMySituation · 03/12/2021 12:12

The John taking a trip round the world in a westerly direction sounds barking, but it apparently is true, I've read about it over the years and it's in at least one book that I found whilst trying to verify it. He also sailed from New York to Bermuda in 1980 on Yoko's advice. Writing most of Double fantasy there

EYProvider · 03/12/2021 01:35

@pumpkinpal

Took me about two minutes to work it out when I read that Chapman had a Salvador Dali and Norman Rockwell stuffed in his attic and had been on a round the world trip in a westerly direction.

pumpkinpal · 03/12/2021 00:26

@EYProvider

You need to get out more. Grin

TomPinch · 02/12/2021 22:45

I've just read the following in the Yoko Ono Wikipedia entry.

Two years later, however, Ono publicly compared Lennon to Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, while McCartney, she said, more closely resembled his less-talented rival Antonio Salieri.

Ouch!!!

EYProvider · 02/12/2021 22:13

Let’s face it, @regularbutnamechangedd, Paul hates Yoko. He might tolerate her these days for the sake of his business and because he feels sorry for Sean, and she is basically infirm now (bet she still outlives him by one day out of sheer spite, mind you), but there is no love lost between them.

I agree he would go after her if it was that straightforward. But as John obviously knew, why would he want his legacy trashed?

Sorry, @CPL593H, but I cannot believe that anyone could be so naive. You seriously believe that Mark David Chapman collected Norman Rockwell and Salvador Dali art? I can understand Yoko believing that because what does she know about the real world, but anyone else? Wow, just wow.

regularbutnamechangedd · 02/12/2021 21:31

@EmeraldShamrock

Well, I’m sure it was more interesting than sleeping patterns and toxic mothers, *@FlowerFlour*. Not to mention kids with ASD. No it really isn't. Reading obessive comments about men when the thread was about HM not PM or JL. The thread was hijacked.
There is no way on this entire earth that PMc would've allowed Yoko to get away with murder, absolutely none. If there was even a tiny grain of truth in the conspiracy theories they would have been investigated to bits, and you bet billionaire Paul, who marches against gun laws in the states even now because they killed his best friend, would have thrown everything he had at investigating those avenues.
regularbutnamechangedd · 02/12/2021 21:29

@CPL593H

Just wanted to point out that the fabled Norman Rockwell painting was actually a lithograph that Chapman sold for $7500, not the Mona Lisa. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that even MC had such a thing legitimately.
Yeah but @EYProvider isn't interested in that fact, just unsubstantiated Reddit conspiracy nonsense.
CPL593H · 02/12/2021 21:28

Before I bow out completely (and apologies to OP my part in derailing this thread) MC borrowed money from family members (his mother and his father in law) to buy the Norman Rockwell and the Salvador Dali (which he sold for $5000) He was clearly spending well beyond his means but he purchased them.

I remembered reading years ago that he had these and sort of what they were and checked. I may well be gullible/stupid and whatever else has been levelled at me but I do know the difference between a lithograph and a painting and the corresponding variation in price.

EmeraldShamrock · 02/12/2021 21:27

Well, I’m sure it was more interesting than sleeping patterns and toxic mothers, @FlowerFlour. Not to mention kids with ASD.
No it really isn't.
Reading obessive comments about men when the thread was about HM not PM or JL.
The thread was hijacked.

Sparklingbrook · 02/12/2021 21:07

[quote EYProvider]@Sparklingbrook - Well I did say that to you further up the thread when you recommended that I post it on Reddit, but then changed your mind and told me to start another thread. Lol.[/quote]
You did indeed. You did neither. Lol

EYProvider · 02/12/2021 21:06

@Sparklingbrook - Well I did say that to you further up the thread when you recommended that I post it on Reddit, but then changed your mind and told me to start another thread. Lol.

Sparklingbrook · 02/12/2021 20:59

@EYProvider

Well, I’m sure it was more interesting than sleeping patterns and toxic mothers, *@FlowerFlour*. Not to mention kids with ASD.
What is the matter with those discussion topics on a parenting chat forum? Confused They make more sense for discussions than a heated debate about what John Lennon was up to (on a thread about Heather Mills) IMO.
Grendalsmum · 02/12/2021 20:51

Theboots No, no, no ... He's working down the chippy with the guy who swears he's Elvis Grin

EYProvider · 02/12/2021 20:33

Well, I’m sure it was more interesting than sleeping patterns and toxic mothers, @FlowerFlour. Not to mention kids with ASD.

PinkyPromises · 02/12/2021 20:21

@TheBoots

Jesus tapdancing Christ. What a ride.
Surely it's 'John Lennon' tap dancing Christ Wink
TheBoots · 02/12/2021 20:08

Jesus tapdancing Christ. What a ride.

FlowerFlour · 02/12/2021 20:02

This thread has been a real wild ride, I never knew what was coming next.

Toomanyscentedcandles · 02/12/2021 20:00

@EYProvider

Thanks for the concern, *@Toomanyscentedcandles*, but I don’t understand why you would even bother to write a comment like that. My anger is not really relevant, is it? Nor is it of any interest to anyone, I’m sure.
I wouldn’t be asking if I wasn’t interested, would I?
EYProvider · 02/12/2021 19:46

Mind you, I don’t know if you could even describe my reaction to the comment that Chapman having a Norman Rockwell lying around his house is not that unbelievable really.

Anger doesn’t quite describe it. Incredulity, maybe. Anger, no.

EYProvider · 02/12/2021 19:38

Thanks for the concern, @Toomanyscentedcandles, but I don’t understand why you would even bother to write a comment like that. My anger is not really relevant, is it? Nor is it of any interest to anyone, I’m sure.

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