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Do you remember Heather Mills?

609 replies

LucilleBluth · 28/11/2021 18:52

I have been watching the Beatles documentary and got to thinking about her.

She was in the papers constantly in the 2000s, I remember her being painted as an absolute con artist witch. I googled a few articles about her from the time of the divorce. They are brutal in the misogynistic tone, she’s labelled as a slag, a goer, ex prostitute, you name it.

I don’t think papers write about women in such hash terms anymore. Maybe she was a bit of a twat, whoever married Saint Paul would have suffered at that time I think.

I suppose by AIBU is are the press less misogynistic.

OP posts:
julieca · 06/12/2021 12:18

@Sparklingbrook no I had given up talking to you.

Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 12:18

I thought you have given up @julieca?

julieca · 06/12/2021 12:17

@EYProvider

No, I don’t, but I’ve noticed you don’t say much except to try and put other people off commenting. Why?
I agree with this assessment.
Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 12:13

@EYProvider

And what do you mean, ‘strange’? If you don’t work for Mumsnet, what business is it of yours who says what? Why comment at all if you find it strange?
Same goes for you.What business of yours is it what I post? You are now telling me I am not allowed to comment?

Everyone on here can post whatever they like, nobody can prevent them from from doing so. Confused

The thread has been strange because the title was 'Do you remember Heather Mills?' and yet it went off on a tangent. That's all.

EYProvider · 06/12/2021 12:12

Well, I don’t know why the OP didn’t return. There have been several comments about Heather Mills.

Here, I’ll make one linking everything together:

When Heather Mills went on TV and said she was being threatened by an underground organisation and that she had a box of evidence that would blow the lid on a secret that the world couldn’t handle because it was too sad, I think she was talking about John.

EYProvider · 06/12/2021 12:09

And what do you mean, ‘strange’? If you don’t work for Mumsnet, what business is it of yours who says what? Why comment at all if you find it strange?

Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 12:07

What I have noticed is that the OP only posted once, and didn't return...

EYProvider · 06/12/2021 12:06

No, I don’t, but I’ve noticed you don’t say much except to try and put other people off commenting. Why?

Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 12:04

I didn't 'instruct' you @EYProvider, and in any case you chose not to. This thread has been very strange in a lot of ways TBF, and no I don't work for Mumsnet, do you? Confused

EYProvider · 06/12/2021 12:02

And it isn’t ‘tinfoil hat stuff’ unless you want to turn it into that.

It’s a series of events that don’t add up.

EYProvider · 06/12/2021 12:00

@Malibuismysecrethome

It has some kind of occult significance - I’m not sure what.

@Sparklingbrook

It wasn’t me who took the westerly trip; I’m just pointing out the significance of both John and Chapman doing it at the same time. You don’t have to read my comments, you know, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t sneer so openly at them either.

You’ve pointed out that it has nothing to do with Heather Mills and instructed me to start another thread, even though plenty of other people have expressed interest. Do you work for Mumsnet?

Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 11:29

@Malibuismysecrethome

Re the Westerly voyage I think it is because most trips are East to West so you are going against currents and weather conditions. I don’t know the significance of it.
Something to do with Satan and witchcraft apparently.
Malibuismysecrethome · 06/12/2021 11:21

Re the Westerly voyage I think it is because most trips are East to West so you are going against currents and weather conditions. I don’t know the significance of it.

julieca · 06/12/2021 10:51

Joint custody means joint responsibility for the child legally, it has NOTHING to do with residence.
Beatrice lived with Heather and that seems to have always been the plan.

julieca · 06/12/2021 10:38

@Dozer

On the money thing, didn’t Paul and Linda have a particular ethos about not ‘splashing cash’ on their DC, eg sending them to state school?

maintenance etc of ‘only’ £Xm seems v reasonable IMO!

Beatrice was sent to a posh private nursery while Heather and Paul were togethér. It may have been more Linda who wanted state schools, because Paul seems to have no issue with splashing the cash on hilself. Really you think £35k annual maintenance is fair for a billionaire!
Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 10:13

@chiefcha

Can somebody please explain why people keep posting about trips in a westerly direction?
I’ve no idea. It all went off on a very weird tangent about John Lennon’s death and conspiracy theories I think a tinfoil hat might be required.
HarrysChild · 06/12/2021 09:42

I remember Heather Mills. I remember what was confirmed in their divorce hearing too, which was in the public domain. She continued to bill his office for substantial monthly mortgage repayments on a house he had already paid off for her; she claimed to be a millionaire in her own right but she was in reality skint; she claimed to have donated all her money to charity and in reality there was no evidence to back this up whatsoever. It is OK to call someone a deceitful character, even if she is a woman and has a disability.

chiefcha · 06/12/2021 09:39

Can somebody please explain why people keep posting about trips in a westerly direction?

Sparklingbrook · 06/12/2021 09:19

@TomPinch

Sorry, I think I expressed myself badly. I'll try again. If McCartney had made his money with the Beatles while he was married to Mills I'd expect something closer to a 50/50 split.

Mills got much less because none of Macca's wealth was fruits of their relationship iyswim, and she'd not sacrificed her career so he could make it.

Exactly.
Dozer · 06/12/2021 07:34

On the money thing, didn’t Paul and Linda have a particular ethos about not ‘splashing cash’ on their DC, eg sending them to state school?

maintenance etc of ‘only’ £Xm seems v reasonable IMO!

Oilyoilyoilgob · 06/12/2021 07:27

@TomPinch

From the judgment:

In my judgment the wife's attitude in her Form E, her open offers, her oral and written evidence, and her submissions is that she is entitled for the indefinite future, if not for the whole of her life, to live at the same "rate" as the husband and to be kept in the style to which she perceives she was accustomed during the marriage. Although she strongly denied it her case boils down to the syndrome of "me, too" or "if he has it, I want it too". I shall say more about this when I consider what are the wife's needs.

It must have been absolutely plain to the wife after separation that it was wholly unrealistic to expect to go on living at the rate at which she perceived she was living.

The wife points to the husband's vast wealth including a very diverse portfolio of valuable properties, and to his expenditure in 2005, set out in the husband's Form E. I shall return to that when I consider needs. But none of this, in my judgment, in the circumstances of this case can found a reasonable expectation that the lifestyle the wife perceived she enjoyed during the marriage could or should continue after its breakdown in April 2006.

Tl/dr. I should get to bathe in Dom Perignon every day because you're rich and I was married to you for a bit.

Bravo 👏🏻

The settlement was absolutely right for a few years of marriage, with HM not being with him while he built his fortune and giving up work etc etc.

The money received was ample to bring up their daughter.

TomPinch · 06/12/2021 04:27

Sorry, I think I expressed myself badly. I'll try again. If McCartney had made his money with the Beatles while he was married to Mills I'd expect something closer to a 50/50 split.

Mills got much less because none of Macca's wealth was fruits of their relationship iyswim, and she'd not sacrificed her career so he could make it.

TomPinch · 06/12/2021 04:22

I think you've got to be careful to compare like with like. Imagine if they'd met 40 years before and McCartney made all the money while Mills kept house. She might have got half on the basis that she'd sacrificed her career for his extremely lucrative one. A lot of HWI cases will be like that.

But in this case Mills was basically wanting (and in fact got) a chunk of what McCartney made before he ever met her. The reason for that was lifestyle during the marriage. If they'd lived it up more, she'd have got more. For all I know McCartney was rich in assets more than income and perhaps preferred to reinvest his income rather than blow it on whatever Mills wanted.

Malibuismysecrethome · 06/12/2021 04:03

In fairness, compared to the judgments made today against high net worth individuals, this settlement wasn’t even slightly generous. Has the law changed since 2006 or did he just have an excellent team of lawyers.

TomPinch · 06/12/2021 03:53

From the judgment:

In my judgment the wife's attitude in her Form E, her open offers, her oral and written evidence, and her submissions is that she is entitled for the indefinite future, if not for the whole of her life, to live at the same "rate" as the husband and to be kept in the style to which she perceives she was accustomed during the marriage. Although she strongly denied it her case boils down to the syndrome of "me, too" or "if he has it, I want it too". I shall say more about this when I consider what are the wife's needs.

It must have been absolutely plain to the wife after separation that it was wholly unrealistic to expect to go on living at the rate at which she perceived she was living.

The wife points to the husband's vast wealth including a very diverse portfolio of valuable properties, and to his expenditure in 2005, set out in the husband's Form E. I shall return to that when I consider needs. But none of this, in my judgment, in the circumstances of this case can found a reasonable expectation that the lifestyle the wife perceived she enjoyed during the marriage could or should continue after its breakdown in April 2006.

Tl/dr. I should get to bathe in Dom Perignon every day because you're rich and I was married to you for a bit.