Do you remember Heather Mills?

Well, the source for that story - that he kicked her in the stomach while she was pregnant and she had a miscarriage shortly after - was Albert Goldman.

Now, Goldman was Yoko’s biggest detractor. As much as he had it in for John, he went after her with both barrels. So, you either believe Goldman or not, but if you are going to accept that events like this happened, you also have to look at the stuff he uncovered about Yoko - including her neglect/abuse of her own child, who she basically abandoned to stalk John Lennon.

For the record, I believe Goldman. John was abusive and he was a very complex and damaged person. I don’t know whether he caused her to have a miscarriage. She was zonked out on heroin at the time so she was doing a lot of damage to herself. She had also had something like seven previous abortions, so it was difficult for her to carry a baby to term.

But Yoko was no victim and he was.

I've always thought all the preaching about love and peace was a bit hypocritical since John didn't treat his own son at all well, or his ex wife, I have already said. Yoko was not welcoming or loving to Julian either . In their personal relationships, there wasn't much love and forgiveness at all. They were both pretty selfish people.

Can't think of her without thinking of my all time favourite John McEnroe episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
PmC looks like his own mother now. Can remember him being quite horrid to Linda on camera when she was being interviewed at home about her veggie food, not wanting to share the limelight.

Have you ever seen her IRL? I've met her. She's absolutely tiny. Like a sparrow. Completely bonkers but not evil.

I imagine the reasons she miscarried might have had something to do with the amount of drugs they were both taking.

John did not control Yoko, @regularbutnamechangedd.

He was a very broken man, and obviously had it in him to be a complete bastard. He treated the people he loved most - Cynthia, Julian and especially Paul - like shit.

But he was the abused in that relationship, not the abuser.

AmazIng how many people have fallen for the misogynistic narrative that Yoko controlled John. He controlled her. He beat her. He made her travel everywhere with him. He put her down. He did this to the woman that came before her, and a few other women in between.

As far as I'm concerned she can do what she likes with his estate, he was a disgusting excuse for a man.

Wow @GetInThereLewis 'I struggle to dislike anyone who is a vegan' wins possibly the dippiest comment on Mumsnet award. Vegans are capable of cruelty. They just don't use or consume animal products. Hitler was a veggie, do you rate him?

I think John did escape Yoko didn't he? With May Pang? He reportedly was much better when they were together and he got back in contact with Julian. Although I don't think John was a saint and was probably awful to live with. He was damaged by his upbringing.
If Yoko was that terrible but the remaining Beatles still smile next to her for publicity shots? Would they let her still be the face of their 'brand'?

One weird thing I remember was that HM had on her wiki/bio information that she had been nominated for a Nobel Prize for charity work.

Sounds good but apparently nominees are never announced. Only winners.

Looking back I guess someone could have told her that she'd been nominated, but the implication was that either she voted for herself or it was BS

Back to OP's question - Heather Mills -

Long before she married Paul McCartney, I read an interview about her work as a model after losing a leg. it was inspirational and I kept it for some time, as an example of how strong and positive people can be in adversity

Subsequently, the press described her in far less positive manner. I never knew which version was correct

[quote julieca]@Sparklingbrook the thread has moved onto bashing other women partners of millionaire men.[/quote]
Beatles bashing too, and some very dubious facts I think.

[quote julieca]@Sparklingbrook the thread has moved onto bashing other women partners of millionaire men.[/quote]
Mumsnet tends to fairly rude about cock-lodgers, which is about as abusive a term as gold-digger.

What about some justice for John, @julieca? Can’t men be victims too?

Julian was cut out of John’s will by his evil stepmother from hell, who had a power of attorney to control John’s finances while he was still alive. Well, half alive. Like I say, she shoved him with drugs, so God knows how cognisant he was.

Somehow, Yoko’s lover, Sam Green, wormed his way into John’s will. She had control of it at this point so it probably wasn’t that hard. Julian was an inconvenience. It look him years to fight Yoko for his share of the will and she dragged him through court to get it.

@Sparklingbrook the thread has moved onto bashing other women partners of millionaire men.

Yes Julian was treated terribly.

I also am perplexed that a woman is being seen as off for attempting suicide. Shows stigma around mental health issues is alive and well.

John treated Cynthia Lennon terribly. She always struggled to get maintenance for Julian, even told she had to go through Yoko as she was in charge of his finances. . Poor Julian, he even got promised (by Yoko) that he could pick one of John's guitars, but then wouldn't allow him the one he really wanted, as she wanted it for her own son. I could never understand the meanness. John left millions, why wasn't Julian better provided for.

[quote TheElvishQueen]@julieca
She had an odd background and had attempted suicide after the end of her first marriage. She was a strange woman but certainly no victim. She was very firmly in control in that relationship. John was managed by her from the off. Of course he could have left, but he was extremely emotionally dependent on her. She encouraged that in every way.[/quote]
I think you have a very stereotypical view of what an abused woman looks like.