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Do you remember Heather Mills?

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LucilleBluth · 28/11/2021 18:52

I have been watching the Beatles documentary and got to thinking about her.

She was in the papers constantly in the 2000s, I remember her being painted as an absolute con artist witch. I googled a few articles about her from the time of the divorce. They are brutal in the misogynistic tone, she’s labelled as a slag, a goer, ex prostitute, you name it.

I don’t think papers write about women in such hash terms anymore. Maybe she was a bit of a twat, whoever married Saint Paul would have suffered at that time I think.

I suppose by AIBU is are the press less misogynistic.

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TheElvishQueen · 11/04/2024 15:06

EYProvider · 08/12/2021 10:23

The lyrics in Starting Over can only be about Paul:

  1. His band was Wings (obviously).
  2. He wrote a song called Another Day.
  3. He wrote a song called My Love.

Anyway, Elvis was their thing - John and Paul’s. Why would she be interested in a song like that?

The other song he wrote which was unambiguously about Paul/for Paul (apart from Jealous Guy, which Paul has confirmed was about him) was I Know. But they both wrote songs to and about each other throughout the 70’s - Paul has also confirmed this.

I don’t know what the truth is about John and Paul’s relationship. I do know that everyone who has read John diaries from 1975-1980 says they were all about Paul.

What happened to the diaries?

TheElvishQueen · 11/04/2024 15:04

EYProvider · 19/12/2021 14:31

@anonymousobserver - Fred Seaman, who was John’s personal assistant during the last 18 months or so of his life, was active on Usenet in the late 90’s/early 2000’s. He said that the police were suspicious because the will was probated within 24 hours and Sam Havadtoy had moved in within 12 hours. He said the police questioned the household staff and asked him straight out if he thought Y and SH might have hired Chapman. But then Chapman pleaded guilty so they dropped the investigation.

So there was an affair going on well before Lennon’s death? When did it start?

TheElvishQueen · 11/04/2024 15:02

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 19/12/2021 13:54

A friend of DH was on tour with PM during this ill fated marriage. She was very unpopular due to her dreadful manners - cloying sweet to PM, very rude to those she considered beneath her. The whole tour were very concerned about PM because it was clear that eventually he would learn the truth. They loathed Heather. He was so naive.

She got him at a vulnerable time that’s the trouble and he was taken in by her superficial charms.

OneFrenchEgg · 11/04/2024 09:08

OneFrenchEgg · 11/04/2024 09:07

Spooky! Just switched tv on and HM is talking about veganism - Hmm starting to wonder about timing of this thread!

Oh weird maybe they are annual! There was a 2024 one!

OneFrenchEgg · 11/04/2024 09:07

Spooky! Just switched tv on and HM is talking about veganism - Hmm starting to wonder about timing of this thread!

HRHMEDIA · 21/03/2022 11:40

Heather Mills is a strong advocate for women as well as those with disabilities. I got talking to her once as a passer by on the street and explained a friend had just had both legs amputated. I gave her the hospital details where he was an in patient and she called him on the ward to have a long chat and give advice as someone who is also an amputee. Heather does a lot of work for charity and raises awareness for good causes. She’s a hard working strong advocate, a modern day Suffragette. People need to give her a lot more credit and respect.

anonymousobserver · 19/12/2021 18:10

24 hours?!!! Are you sure? How was that even possible?

EYProvider · 19/12/2021 14:31

@anonymousobserver - Fred Seaman, who was John’s personal assistant during the last 18 months or so of his life, was active on Usenet in the late 90’s/early 2000’s. He said that the police were suspicious because the will was probated within 24 hours and Sam Havadtoy had moved in within 12 hours. He said the police questioned the household staff and asked him straight out if he thought Y and SH might have hired Chapman. But then Chapman pleaded guilty so they dropped the investigation.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 19/12/2021 13:54

A friend of DH was on tour with PM during this ill fated marriage. She was very unpopular due to her dreadful manners - cloying sweet to PM, very rude to those she considered beneath her. The whole tour were very concerned about PM because it was clear that eventually he would learn the truth. They loathed Heather. He was so naive.

anonymousobserver · 19/12/2021 13:32

I can’t get past the will or the article linked to above that was actually written by Sam Green. It’s just so incredibly disturbing. In any murder case, the first question you have to ask is ‘who gains?’ Did the police even look into any of this?

LoveMySituation · 18/12/2021 13:10

I get the feeling Sean has just looked the other way. He would have been five when the other bloke was moved in, and easy to fob off, and then at school, and although he's close to Julian, Julian will never say anything bad about Yoko( at least now!) so not to hurt Sean (and rightly so). I found out Julian and Sean went to the LA première of Get Back together(I was wondering where the Lennon's were, everyone one else seemed to go to the London one) I think Julian's said watching it made him fall back in love with his father

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 18/12/2021 09:38

Yes, could be. Very hard to come to terms with though I imagine.

LoveMySituation · 18/12/2021 09:23

Sean was packed off to boarding school in Switzerland. He and Julian are now very close, I suspect he has more of an idea of what went on than it looks like he does

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 18/12/2021 08:57

Also Paul has made his peace with her and they seem to get on on a superficial level. Paul helped bring them back together at one stage. Surely he would have seen through her too?

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 18/12/2021 08:55

If Yoko is indeed as manipulative and poisonous as EY is suggesting, I find it hard to believe that Sean loves her so much. He seems like a decent person. Wouldn’t he have taken issue with Yokos’s lover being moved in when John died? Would he not have had doubts about the people surrounding his mother?

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 18/12/2021 08:53

@Gretaburley

My friend worked with her first dh. He didn't have a good word to say about her. Obviously I don't know anymore.
Yoko’s first husband?
daisiesonmydress · 18/12/2021 08:14

@EYProvider

And no, I don’t believe that Sam Green’s inclusion in John Lennon’s will was innocent. Sam Green was a known hustler who had form for shacking up with women like Ono (rich, gullible, bored). John Lennon was a billionaire in today’s money.

You can believe what you want. I was not born yesterday.

When all your troubles seemed so far away ...

Gretaburley · 17/12/2021 17:48

My friend worked with her first dh.
He didn't have a good word to say about her.
Obviously I don't know anymore.

anonymousobserver · 17/12/2021 17:39

Well I for one have found this thread absolutely fascinating.

I’ve been doing some reading and must say that I agree with EY that the will is highly suspicious. It seems that Kenneth Anger was acquainted with John and Yoko via Robert Fraser, another shady character, as far back as 60s London. I agree with EY that something is not right with the official story here.

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 16:48

I’m not going to engage with you anymore. You’re purposely misrepresenting what I am saying, and it’s boring.

LoveMySituation · 17/12/2021 16:22

You're the one banging on about Satan. The CIA actually exist..

EYProvider · 17/12/2021 16:18

Surely it’s only vulnerable people like Chapman who actually believe in Satan. That’s why they’re so easy to manipulate.

LookslovelyinSpringtime · 17/12/2021 16:11
Grin
LookslovelyinSpringtime · 17/12/2021 16:10

@LoveMySituation

Or maybe Paul did it. Y'know cos he found out about John being in love with him, and he didn't want a love triangle situation. Or he wanted to make John the biggest Rockstar ever. Or maybe Olivia, taking revenge for John hitting George that time. Makes about as much sense as some posts on here
[GRIN]
LoveMySituation · 17/12/2021 15:45

Well, the book I mentioned at some point on ti's thread, by the lawyer, basically said that Chapman was a CIA Manchurian candidate. And that the reason he was in Beirut was to undergo CIA mind control. It was a very interesting book. So if there are already these theories out there, I have no idea why you're so convinced it's Satan's work..