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To not want my 19 year old moving to Canada alone?

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MiddayMass · 15/11/2021 02:19

She has 0 connections in Canada. She isn’t particularly academic and uni is her idea of hell but works in hospitality and thrives in that role. The restaurant she works at offered her a manager on duty promotion not long after she started because of how on the ball she is.

All her friends went off to uni in September and I think she’s feeling like it’s time to make a drastic change in her own life too. Which I understand. I thought maybe she’d move into a house share with other young people or something.

Today over dinner she revealed that Canada do a 2 year ‘Working Holiday’ visa for certain countries. You don’t need to be a professional or have a degree, you can go over and work in hospitality just fine. As long as you have somewhere to live, a couple of grand in the bank (she has savings) and health insurance you’re fine. She’s says she’s been looking into it and has already signed up with an agency and has paid fees to go and work on a ski resort this Winter with live-in accommodation. She’s insisted it’s all legit and that she has done all of her research.

To be honest, I smiled about it to her face but I’m scared shitless. Do such jobs actually exist? I’m worried it’s dodgy. She will have no connections in Canada. She insists that the agency has in-country support and that she’s in a Facebook group with other girls her own age who are going to the same town, and that they all plan to meet up once they are there etc. There’s even talk of some of them maybe getting a flat-share as she doesn’t want to be in the hotel accommodation for the full 2 years. She honestly doesn’t seem worried at all. I’m not sure why she chose Canada specifically. Apparently Europe wasn’t drastic enough, she’s not interested in Asia or Africa, Oceania is too far from home and she ‘wouldn’t be seen dead in the USA in its current state’ so she ended up with Canada.

DH isn’t happy either and says he’ll be worried about her, and has suggested that we try and talk her out of it. I don’t want to do that as she is an adult but I am terrified. How would you feel? I never really left my home town or travelled. At DD’s age I was pregnant with her brother and living in a flat 5 minutes away from my parents and so the idea of jetting off to another continent alone at that age is unthinkable to me. I’m not saying I’d rather she was pregnant at 19 living in a grotty flat, I just mean it’s all so foreign to me because I was in such a different situation at her age so I don’t know if my fear is rational or not.

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MammaMacgill87 · 17/11/2021 08:32

I left home at 17, had a great job my own place. When job opportunities came up I moved with them. Now that want quite as far as Canada but I did move from Aberdeen all the way down to Maidstone on a whim with nothing and no-one, it's was one of the happiest most freeing times of my young life. She's 19 there's literally zero you can do about it and to pressure her out of it would be so wrong.
Perhaps ask her for the name of the agency and maybe even the Facebook group so that you can have a look for yourself, dig around a bit. Check out the legalities surrounding getting her back if she isn't enjoying it etc etc, facts keep me calm so having all the info would put my mind at rest. It's normal for you to be worried and scared but part of you should be excited for her. At least she's working and not on a two year jolly.

SkaterGrrrrl · 17/11/2021 08:16

Sounds exciting and she is showing a lot of initiative. I immigrated to a different country with a backpack at the age of 22. She will have an adventure.

Frazzled2207 · 17/11/2021 08:08

Really pleased you are coming round, you sound like a great mum.
Sorry about the dh but just ignore him as much as you can. My own mother was deeply unhappy about me going to Japan to teach English but coped!

jontyl · 17/11/2021 07:16

Live your life to give your children wings so they can fly. She will get great memories. Whistler is amazing. Tips are good too. She may come back (likely) though may stay and if she does, you will see her for quality time together. If gc come along then you may be in a position to visit for extended periods so concentrate your life on getting your finances in order to have the luxury of being able to afford the visits. We lost a son to america for a year but he came back enriched plus we have great memories of meeting up with him out there

FictionalCharacter · 17/11/2021 02:39

It’s great that you’ve come round, shame about dh, but she’s an adult and he doesn’t get to tell her she can’t go. If she goes without his unnecessary “blessing” she’ll be fine. She’ll be too busy working and enjoying herself to mope about him.
He will have 2 choices: continue being a twat and make her not want to see him or talk to him, or decide to be proud and supportive and have a daughter who still loves him.

TheWestIsTheBest · 17/11/2021 02:27

This reminds of Educating Rita. Of course you should encourage your daughter to spread her wings, she sounds brilliant. I am from a similar background and ended up in Oz after many adventures. My life has been so full of fun and open horizons, I would never have stayed in my home town, and I doubt your daughter will either. I have a 20 year old son, I have encouraged him to do a degree where working abroad is easy, as I want him to really live his life, and I know he will leap at the opportunity to travel when Covid calms down a bit. Your husband sounds pretty awful, I am sure he must have redeeming qualities, but he needs to give himself a good shake, or he will lose his adventurous and brave daughter.

keffie12 · 17/11/2021 02:12

@MiddayMass

I definitely think keeping a few hundred pounds aside will help ease my worries a bit once she’s gone. I’ve just thought of that idea now.

My biggest worry would be her ending up in some kind of crisis over there with no money to come home, unlikely I know but you hear about this stuff. Or for me to go out there if ever necessary.

As I said, for my own peace of mind more than anything as I can’t bear the thought of something happening and her being stuck of me not being able to go to her.

But she’s got a good head on her shoulders and I’m sure most likely it won’t need to be used. It’s to benefit me by settling my worries more than it is to benefit her Grin

Oh what a wonderful opportunity for her. My daughter did the same when she was 22. She has permanent citizenship out there now.

She met the love of her life there and she expecting there first baby. My daughter been there now 14 years.

Ske has an amazing life. A far better one than she could get in the U.K. My daughter is also in hospitality. They love the British accent out there.

My late husband was from an ex mining area so I know the mentality and how the men especially can be.

My husband escaped it. He didn't want that life. He aeen how his sister and other 2 brothers are. He and one other brother got out.

I was never quite forgiven for taking my husband away from where he was born and bought up. That was made clear when he unexpectedly passed away. Ofcourse I dragged him kicking and wreaking! Not! Ha

Supporting your daughter is exactely what she needs. Ignore your husband. He is acting like a spoilt child who can't get his own way.

He has to learn: its not his life to lead. When he starts just tell him to stop it. Tell your swifter not to try and talk him round and just let him have his perpetual sulk.

Go out on tour on your own if needs be. You would probably have a better time than going with a grumpy sulky husband. Look at it as new adventures for you

We are incredibly lucky to live in a time when it's s small world, with Facetime, Zoom, Skype, and so on. Flights to Canada depending where she is can average 8 hours plus. Fortunately I can fly right in to where my daughter lives.

It's a beautiful country. 2 of my adult sons are still here. They haven't all left me. Ha

Best flight companies are Canadian Affair.Dont pay exonerate flight fees. We generally got/get out there for around £400 each from Manchester.

Check your prices and deals. Enjoy it with her. If your husband wants to be a bleep leave him to it

It's fun and exciting for you both. She will get amazing opportunities out there

MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 01:48

He’s definitely projecting as well. He always regrets never buying a house back when he started working full-time and property was even cheaper in our area than it is now and so he’s a bit obsessed with property. We’re not on the breadline but are still low-income and he sees never buying as the route of all of his life’s problems.

He lived vicariously through DS when he bought his property and got really involved, but that wasn’t so bad because DS actively wanted to buy and that was his goal. I think he wanted the opportunity to do it with DD as well.

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MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 01:42

@TheGirlCat.

If he lets her go without his blessing and puts a dampener on it for her I’ll be utterly devastated and I think it would affect us. He’ll be sat there twiddling his thumbs waiting for it to go wrong, why would he wish that on his child who wants to go and explore the world? Sad

He’s saying I’m a hypocrite because I didn’t want her to at first either. But it’s different! I was just shocked and upset at the thought of her being miles away. But I know how clever she is, and she was so great at reassuring me and now I’m excited for her. He didn’t even give her the chance. I was scared of things going wrong, he’s scared of it working out.

I’ll mention that I want to try and put a bit of money away to go out there and see her at some point, but no doubt he’ll scoff. He’s tight with money as well. Luckily we both work full-time and whilst we go halfises on bills and rent, we don’t pool the remainder. I can save a couple of hundred a month. I don’t even know if he’d come with me, or whether DD will even welcome him.

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HarrisonStickle · 17/11/2021 01:13

I remember back in the dim and distant past being engaged when I was 20 and thinking about going back to college. My fiance's parents were so weird about it. Told me I had to concentrate on working and getting on the list for a council house. It seemed so utterly unambitious. I realise now it was that same kind of blinkered thinking about earning money now being better than not earning but having more potential later. The aim to get a council house rather than working towards anything else was also incredibly depressing.

I'm so glad you're really behind her now and planning your own visit to see her. Your husband will likely not want to go so better steel yourself for the moaning when he realises you're tootling off for a holiday! He won't want to go, of course, so you must go on your own and have a blast.

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redtshirt50 · 17/11/2021 01:04

He needs to be very careful or he will drive her away - does he realise that?

My mum's DP (who was in my life since I was young) was similar to your DH.

He thought everyone should work from 16 (because that's what he did), he thought uni was a waste of time and when I said I wanted to go and do a working holiday in Australia he laughed at me, rolled his eyes, and told me what a stupid idea it was.

My mum was sad and said she'd miss me but that it was an amazing opportunity and I should go.

I went, it was everything I hoped it was and it gave me the drive to carve out a different life for myself. I now have my own business and am really proud of the life I'm living.

Admittedly he wasn't my dad, but when I left for Australia I had zero interest in carrying on any contact with him. His attitude just wasn't one I could get on board with and I hated that he was dragging my mum down with his boring ideas.

Maybe once she's out there and having a fantastic time and doing well he'll be able to come round to the idea a bit?

JessieLongleg · 17/11/2021 00:56

I'm from London dual nationality dad's from Vancouver and yes if she wanted to be a social worker it's not just qualifications but limited jobs in parts of Canada. Vancouver has a population of a qtr of London. But in the service industry experience will matter more and you can work your way up. Every part I've been to knocks the stress of London out of myself. I would say moving to London is more dangerous, in Vancouver it's rare for really bad stuff to happen people are still shocked were as in London a lot of crimes don't even hit the news. I've lived there on a student exchange and it's the kinda place you can work out easily not like somewhere like New York. I love the UK Canada is so beautiful and unique miss it so much at times....My neighbor in London they both come from small towns where everyone has kids by 25 and they have a very solid marriage and great relationship with parents still. Still speaks to her mum at least 5 days a week. So focus on the strengths you have given her and she will carry them with her. To be honest their degree was only just worth doing in terms of pay. They could of got a job in a supermarket and worked their way up and be on more than what a dancer gets teaching for a to London school......I hated school but excelled in work just as I had the motivation and people like that a lot of others just work enough to get paid. would most likely more to Toronto as has more of the jobs I do even in London a degree would help for speclist jobs but has never stopped me gaining skills.

TheGirlCat · 17/11/2021 00:53

Your husband sounds like a ghastly misogynist sexist pig. I would tell him to change his attitude quick smart or you'll move to Canada as well with her. Seriously what a horrible, loathsome little man with no drive, no ambition and anti-social and misogynist beliefs. Does he have any positive traits? I could not stay married to him, I would grow to resent him and hate him. He is trying to break your daughter's spirit. And his attitude of not looking at her phone is that of an immature 9 year old, so he is immature to boot. This would be LTB level for me. His attitude would depress me and break me, let alone my daughter. He'd be changing his attitude quick smart if I were you! He doesn't have to love the idea but he needs to accept it and not drive a wedge between him and his daughter.

Ticksallboxes · 17/11/2021 00:45

Your DD sounds bloody brilliant!!

Of everyone I grew up with, it wasn't the academic ones who followed the traditional route that did really well, it was typically the ones who didn't need university and who just went for it who are now living in million pound homes in my city.

Griefmonster · 17/11/2021 00:35

I think it can be very hard for some people to see beyond their experience and assumptions about what "success" is. For your DH, it is stability, familiarity, family close by. Nothing wrong with that. For you it is maybe the same but the difference between the 2 of you is that you can see that "success" or fulfilment can come in another shape too. You can adjust your expectations. Maybe your DH can too, with some time and effort. But it's not your or your DD's job to make him comfortable with that. You can respect his view without agreeing with it. And you can expect home to extend the same courtesy.

I would bet he is terrified of losing his girl and once he acknowledges that, and realises he can't stop it form happening, he'll get on board. And when she makes a massive success of it, he'll pretend he never had any doubts....

MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 00:30

He wants her to start working full-time in an office, take advantage of the cheap property in the town and buy, and that’s that. That’s his life plan he has set out for her. DS basically did exactly that and has a partner and 2 kids as well and I’m incredibly proud of him for what he’s achieved but DH expects DD to be a carbon copy.

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MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 00:23

To be honest this isn’t the only thing he’s been arsey with her about.

He hates that she works in hospitality and always has done. He wants her to go and work in an office or as a receptionist, that kind of thing. He insists it’s just because she’d get paid more (not necessarily) but I find it a bit weird. I’ve explained that if you are in the right place and have the knack you can go far in hospitality (DD’s friend works in a posh hotel in her uni city where the director apparently started off working on the bar and had worked her way up, and is now on 6 figures!) and that in Canada working in hotels there’ll probably be good opportunities to get her foot in the door and he scoffed. I always saw her doing something with her career to do with hospitality even before Canada.

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Griefmonster · 17/11/2021 00:22

@MiddayMass

God, this girl bloody amazes me sometimes. She’s back from work and I just asked (in a curious way, not putting her down) “What if you love it and want to stay past the 2 years? What will you do?”

She said “Oh I’ve already looked in to all of that and know some options.”. She mentioned something about scheme (I forgot the name) she’d looked in to. Just in case she loves it and wants to stay. Something about how you don’t necessarily need to be in a skilled role for the scheme and they offer permanent residency to people willing to work in the less bustling provinces. Then she started listing all of the details like how many hours work experience she’d need, all of the technical details etc. She pointed out she might just need to do a Level 2 course at a U.K. college to cover the Canadian high school diploma equivalent requirement. I was 😮 about how much she seemed to have researched it all. Then she joked that I should stop worrying about her wanting to stay there when she hasn’t even started the Working Holiday yet because she might surprise herself and hate it Grin Apparently she’s been planning it all for 2 years.

I’m so proud of her and actually a bit emotional. She does everything for herself and off her own back. She struggled with school, couldn’t do maths and didn’t have the attention span for English and school always made her feel like she was stupid and it was such a hard time for us as a family as she gave up. Looking back I think she’s just such an independent soul who thrives just getting on and doing things for herself.

Sorry I’m going on but I’m having such a proud mum moment. She’s decided what she wants and has just got on with it. Now the initial shock has gone from her telling me last night, I’ve realised just how amazing, self-motivated and independent she is.

What a wonderful mum you are. What a credit to herself and to you, your daughter is. She will do so well in hospitality with that kind of attitude. I know people who work in management in some of the big multinational hotel chains through work and they get amazing perks. She sounds exactly the kind of person employers are crying out for.

I know exactly the kind of home town and dad. I know you can see it but make sure no matter what she knows she always has you to talk to no matter what anyone else around her saying. She will come in for shit from all corners, including her dad if he doesn't wise up. She needs to know you believe in her. As you so clearly do. It's lovely to read your wonder and pride.

MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 00:17

DH still not coming round. Today he was trying to show her flats in our (very cheap) area she could get a deposit on with her savings and going on about how it’s a much better financial decision than her ‘daft’ Canada plan. DD gave him a short shrift.

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TurquoiseDragon · 17/11/2021 00:05

My mum was 19 in 1964 when she went to the US as an au pair, after answering an ad in "The Lady" magazine.

Remember, no mobiles or internet, expensive landline calls, and most correspondence with family was snail mail. We are still friends with that family.

Your DD has done her research, and as long as she has enough savings to get herself home quickly if needed, I'd say don't clip her wings.

CuriousCassie · 16/11/2021 23:55

It sounds great. Let her fly. She clearly wants to!

immersivereader · 16/11/2021 23:48

Bravo to her!

If she's on the East Coast and ever need a brew she can pop round to mine!

😊😁

Roxy69 · 16/11/2021 22:54

Canada is a great place to go. You will have to accept that she has every right to choose her life and she seems very level-headed. Yes it will be a wrench but surely you can just be proud of her for not choosing to do the same as you. Its clearly not her way. Support her and don't make her feel guilty for wanting to determine her life her way. I promise you, you will be the losers if you try to put her off or infect her with your fears. She sounds great.

trilottie · 16/11/2021 21:52

Sounds amazing. I had a two year working visa for Canada but I didn't go until I was 21, and I spent 6 months working and traveling in the US before going to Canada. I'd wind back time and go back in a heartbeat!

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 16/11/2021 21:36

In my opinion, it'll be the making of her. My DSis lives in Vancouver and it's bloody awesome. I can't answer for the rest of the country or city, but East Van in particular seems a really close knit community.

The city isn't overwhelmingly large, just beautiful. You should let her go, so you can visit Wink

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