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To not want my 19 year old moving to Canada alone?

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MiddayMass · 15/11/2021 02:19

She has 0 connections in Canada. She isn’t particularly academic and uni is her idea of hell but works in hospitality and thrives in that role. The restaurant she works at offered her a manager on duty promotion not long after she started because of how on the ball she is.

All her friends went off to uni in September and I think she’s feeling like it’s time to make a drastic change in her own life too. Which I understand. I thought maybe she’d move into a house share with other young people or something.

Today over dinner she revealed that Canada do a 2 year ‘Working Holiday’ visa for certain countries. You don’t need to be a professional or have a degree, you can go over and work in hospitality just fine. As long as you have somewhere to live, a couple of grand in the bank (she has savings) and health insurance you’re fine. She’s says she’s been looking into it and has already signed up with an agency and has paid fees to go and work on a ski resort this Winter with live-in accommodation. She’s insisted it’s all legit and that she has done all of her research.

To be honest, I smiled about it to her face but I’m scared shitless. Do such jobs actually exist? I’m worried it’s dodgy. She will have no connections in Canada. She insists that the agency has in-country support and that she’s in a Facebook group with other girls her own age who are going to the same town, and that they all plan to meet up once they are there etc. There’s even talk of some of them maybe getting a flat-share as she doesn’t want to be in the hotel accommodation for the full 2 years. She honestly doesn’t seem worried at all. I’m not sure why she chose Canada specifically. Apparently Europe wasn’t drastic enough, she’s not interested in Asia or Africa, Oceania is too far from home and she ‘wouldn’t be seen dead in the USA in its current state’ so she ended up with Canada.

DH isn’t happy either and says he’ll be worried about her, and has suggested that we try and talk her out of it. I don’t want to do that as she is an adult but I am terrified. How would you feel? I never really left my home town or travelled. At DD’s age I was pregnant with her brother and living in a flat 5 minutes away from my parents and so the idea of jetting off to another continent alone at that age is unthinkable to me. I’m not saying I’d rather she was pregnant at 19 living in a grotty flat, I just mean it’s all so foreign to me because I was in such a different situation at her age so I don’t know if my fear is rational or not.

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Anuta77 · 17/11/2021 19:47

I don't know where she's going to Canada, but here in Quebec, there's a serious lack of staff (due to trudo paying out money for doing nothing). So she will have no issue finding a job and depending on where she is and her personnality, she can make friends and have a nice experience. But of course, as a mother, I absolutely understand you.

Lasair · 17/11/2021 19:43

She doesn’t want to be there because she’s not an extension of him and has her own life to live… he’ll get over it surely! He can’t be cross forever, it’s not his decision to make. He can do nothing about this!

Stillgoings · 17/11/2021 16:54

My colleague's 22 year old daughter went out yesterday to do it. She has gone to Whistler and has a job to start with out there in some sort of ski restaurant. She too has a two year visa. Her dad who I work with is an intelligent switched on man, there's no way she would have gone if it wasn't ok. He seems very excited for her. Good for your daughter, explore while you can I say

JadeTrinket · 17/11/2021 16:52

@Roussette

He doesn't need to 'get why' she doesn't want to be there. He has to accept that she's an adult, an autonomous human being, a person who is in control of her life and she makes the decisions what she wants to do with that life.
Absolutely this. A lot of my life decisions have made my parents very sad and incomphrehending -- although these decisions would generally be viewed as 'good' things and achievements (like staying on at school till 18, getting a scholarship to university (the first in the extended family to go), getting several postgraduate degrees, also on scholarships, working in a professional field.)

But fundamentally, I don't need them to approve. If I had done the things they'd approved of, I'd have left school at fifteen and had two children and no qualifications by 20.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/11/2021 16:39

I’ll mention that I want to try and put a bit of money away to go out there and see her at some point, but no doubt he’ll scoff. He’s tight with money as well

I normally recommend openness in all things, but if you do this, be prepared for him to discover something the money absolutely has to be spent on instead - either that or constant whining about the "waste of money" to spoil your anticipation of a lovely trip

He’ll be sat there twiddling his thumbs waiting for it to go wrong, why would he wish that on his child who wants to go and explore the world?

Because he sounds profoundly limited ...

Roussette · 17/11/2021 16:20

He doesn't need to 'get why' she doesn't want to be there. He has to accept that she's an adult, an autonomous human being, a person who is in control of her life and she makes the decisions what she wants to do with that life.

MiddayMass · 17/11/2021 16:16

It doesn’t matter how many times I tell him “It’s all well and good looking to buy a house here, but if you don’t what to be here why would you?.” And then he responds that he doesn’t get why she wouldn’t want to be here.

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leopardprintlara · 17/11/2021 15:43

Did the same in Australia at 19, stayed on a visa for 3 years.it's a great opportunity at a ski resort she'll meet loads of other young people there. I have family in Canada and it's a great place, went out for 2 summers there. Good luck to her. I'd be getting out of the UK too if I was 19.

Sandinmyknickers · 17/11/2021 13:44

@MiddayMass

I think it’s hard for people not from a town such as mine to grasp just how bloody insular it can be. DH’s attitude certainly isn’t unusual, and I can see other male relatives having the same reaction.

It’s a case of being personally offended that somebody dares want to leave, especially a girl. The audacity Hmm. Anybody from the town who strives for better gets a “Who do they bloody think they are?” attitude.

Funking hell. That's no excuse. If that were excusable, humanity wouldn't have progressed beyond living in caves. He has an awful attitude and should take responsibility for it and you shouldn't be excusing him or anyone else based on bring from a small mining town. Its like excusing racism on old age (understandable if someone uses a wrong term and when corrected, realise and apologise..very different to resolutely stick to your guns and blame it on your age/background. Disgusting behaviour)
Sandinmyknickers · 17/11/2021 13:36

Yep it exists and it sounds an amazing opportunity. Of course you are allowed to be a bit worried (same if she moved to another city in the uk), but terrified and DH wanting to persuade her out of it...I despair. Stop clipping your daughters wings just because its not your own personal experience. One Google could have told you these things exist

ftw163532 · 17/11/2021 12:59

I don't think it's fair to say that trying to beat down your child's aspirations and deliberately trying to make them feel stupid so you can control their life in order to sooth your own negative self-esteem is motivated by love. That's not what love means. That's not what love looks like. That's not how love behaves.

He has a chip on his shoulder about his own perceived inadequacies and instead of dealing with those feelings himself, he's trying to beat his daughter down so he can feel superior. He doesn't want her to succeed because if she does it will dent his ego - that's twisted. If she 'fails' he feels superior so he is actively trying to ensure she does fail.

It's hardly any wonder she has spent 2 years planning this in secret when - by your own admission - her father has a track record of stomping all over her dreams and putting her down to make himself feel good.

It must have taken great courage and determination for her to pursue this with that background.

InTropicalTrumpsLand · 17/11/2021 12:31

Yes, OP, I suspected your DH was living vicariously through your DC before you said so. That's because my DF tries to do the same thing.

I'm in my mid 20s and trying to do similar to your DD (a MSc. in another continent) and DF just can't wrap his head around it. Oh, he supports me enough, but he just doesn't understand why I would try, when I could follow in his footsteps here working only mornings and earning more.

The reality is that I don't want to, and no matter how often DF says "You're wasting your time studying Science" I'll stick to this third world country and build new builds.

When DB dropped out of the course DF had carefully picked for him, DF went to his bedroom and cried in defeat. Never mind that DB is much happier now. It's this sort of thing, isn't it? If a set path worked for them, why bother following a different one?

I'd tell your DD to go, even without your DH's approval. That she's got you for whatever she needs, and that you're so proud of how much she's researched.

LibranNan · 17/11/2021 11:36

I would talk to her about the subject whenever she brings it up .Keep up the interest ,discuss the pros and cons and your safety worries .Do your research ,with her and on your own .It will all work out ok I'm sure .She sounds confident and headstrong ,just be with her every step of the way .

Salome61 · 17/11/2021 11:05

Good luck to your daughter, I hope she has a great time. I used to buy the Lady magazine and dream of travelling and working in other countries as an au pair, it's great she's brave and ready for adventure. My daughter did an international degree with a year in Hamilton in Canada, she had a great time. Do buy her the best snow boots you can afford, Sorel are good.

OVienna · 17/11/2021 10:52

When I first read your post, I thought she was literally buying a plane ticket and flying out on her own to an airport in Canada, with the idea she could sort out the arrangements once she got there. Definitely no.

BUNAC is about as reliable as things get. Your daughter is not planning anything remotely worrying.

OVienna · 17/11/2021 10:47

I haven't lived in my home country since I left university. It's sad for my parents (I get that) but we still see each other regularly (pre-COVID and again soon), probably as often as, for example, if I were living in another part of the US that was a couple of thousand miles away (possible.)

Your DH needs to realise your daughter is very likely to go, regardless, and he can either have a good relationship with her in the future or he can set the situation up for a possible estrangement from her.

Havanananana · 17/11/2021 09:56

"If he lets her go without his blessing and puts a dampener on it for her I’ll be utterly devastated"

But this won't happen. Once she gets to Canada she'll be too busy working, experiencing new things and having a good time for her father's comments to take up any of her mind space. If anything, his comments will make the experience sweeter when she sees that she can in fact blossom somewhere other than in the small community in which she has grown up.

Experienced hospitality staff can earn good money in Canada, particularly in the winter resorts, and many places are now year-round resorts. In the short off-season periods (e.g. end of April, November) she can go travelling. Season workers tend to buy or rent a car or van at these times and go off exploring together for a few weeks.

NHRN · 17/11/2021 09:56

I think its a fab idea! Don't clip her wings with your fears. Canada is a lovely place.
Remind yourself of what you were doing at her age.
I went off travelling on my own at 22 with no mobiles, only letters. I worked hard to get there and I loved it. I look back fondly some 30 years later and would miss my kids, but would never stop them having that same adventure. It taught me independence, confidence, and I learned to get on with life.
Send her on a self defence course, make sure she has watsapp, email. Get her to contact other travellers, join the Youth Hostelling Association. Preparation is everything and you'll both feel better knowing you helped and she feels supported. Good luck.

Frazzled2207 · 17/11/2021 09:55

@JadeTrinket
No not jet, a private language school programme.
Was on the outskirts of Tokyo.

I wouldn’t say it was the best days of my life, living as a single gaijin in Japan is hard going. Obviously the language is a huge factor which wouldn’t be the case in Canada. But a very valuable life experience for me.

DragonMamma · 17/11/2021 09:45

Your DD sounds brilliant! I hope my DD does more travelling than I ended up doing. I did live in various places across the U.K. with friends, having left home straight after my A Levels. I returned home eventually but l be encouraging mine to get out there and see what the world has to offer.

I’m also from an ex mining town but your DH sounds like an arsehole, quite frankly.

SkaterGrrrrl · 17/11/2021 09:14

OP show your DH this thread.

Barney60 · 17/11/2021 08:58

Wow, great your daughter seems to be mature enough to start spreading her wings, you can keep in touch via skype. Canada is a fabulous start and they speak English.
I get it though, all of us worry about our siblings.
Did same as you, as i grew up, children now have such wonderful opportunities we never had. Im very envious tbh.

JadeTrinket · 17/11/2021 08:41

@Frazzled2207

Really pleased you are coming round, you sound like a great mum. Sorry about the dh but just ignore him as much as you can. My own mother was deeply unhappy about me going to Japan to teach English but coped!
Did you do JET? One of my best students did this before Covid, and had a ball. She was somewhere very remote, and loved it.
StargazerAli · 17/11/2021 08:36

I did similar at that age. She'll fine and grow in confidence, with many lessons learned. She sounds great!

Lokdok · 17/11/2021 08:36

It sounds like an opportunity of a lifetime and she should go for it. But you’re not unreasonable, I wouldn’t want my baby going so far either in case she put roots down and stays.

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