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To be ashamed of our Sleazebag PM?

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Sean2001 · 08/11/2021 14:17

If it wasn't bad enough, Johnson presiding over the Paterson vote last week ...

He's now refusing to attend the debate today on sleaze/corruption

He also will not allow the sleaze watchdog to look into his flat refurbishment.

Does Johnson actually think this kind of behaviour is impressive?

I find it deeply embarrassing.

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the80sweregreat · 08/11/2021 16:05

The next election will all hinge on the northern voters and how they feel after lending them their votes last time around and breaking the red wall!
The south has pretty much been lost to the conservatives for many years

Sean2001 · 08/11/2021 15:48

@Katyppp

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK. You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc. In real life, things are a lot more nuanced and lots of the issues considered very important on MN hardly raise an eyebrow. The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again, until Labour have a credible offering that people can relate to, not just spend all their time (over) reacting, finger-pointing and name calling. Actually setting out what they would actually do in a given situation instead of just going on about how awful the Tories are and evading questions woykd be a good start.
At least Labour turns up for the questions.

This Tory government can’t even manage that. When did you last hear any of the cabinet bothering to appear anywhere to answer any questions?

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2021 15:43

"clash of interests"?

A clash of interest is when one is already (say) owner of a haulage firm, and an issue comes up in Parliament that affects haulage firms. There are accepted protocols for MPs to deal with this common occurrence.

Accepting a job as a paid "consultant" to a company in order to use one's position as MP to repeatedly initiate meetings and send letters lobbying officials and ministers on behalf of those specific companies, is not a "clash of interest". It is corruption. Pure and simple.

Sean2001 · 08/11/2021 15:36

My Labour Mp is far far from useless. When I watch Newsnight I see and hear many MPswho are not useless. Everyone on our government is as far as I can tell me.

Please correct me - if I'm wrong.

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ShinyHappyPoster · 08/11/2021 15:35

Yy I am but no more so than any other time since he was elected. He is a liar and a cheat with no morals or principles. It's embarrassing that is the type of man people want to represent the UK on a global stage.

HarrietsChariot · 08/11/2021 15:32

Whether it's the Tories having a clash of interests, or people elected as Labour MPs calling opponents "scum" and being convicted of threatening a member of the public, all of them are useless and none of them fit to be in office.

DuncinToffee · 08/11/2021 15:28

@Taoneusa

None of them are particularly better than each other, IMO, they do their best and are fallible, and police each other for their ends only.
metro.co.uk/2021/11/08/the-30-mps-who-rake-in-thousands-with-second-jobs-as-consultants-15561454/

28 of the 30 are Tories.

Sloth66 · 08/11/2021 15:26

I heard how bad he was as London Mayor. Lazy arrogant and corrupt, not interested in detail and letting others do the work.
Then backing and endorsing Brexit as a cynical manoeuvre to gain power.

Add a seedy private life, numerous sackings from jobs and compulsive lying.
Did anyone ever really think he’d be ok?

LagunaBubbles · 08/11/2021 15:24

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK
You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc

Well that's certainly representative of the Scottish part of the UK.

The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again

Not in Scotland they weren't. Not that it makes any difference, still stuck with them.

PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2021 15:18

In this particular issue, there is no missing nuance.

No one is overreacting. Johnson was banking on the public underreacting but, oops, turns out we won't wear this one.

And it's perfectly easy for Labour to say what they would do in this situation... because it's what they did do.

Chris Bryant, in his role as Chair of the Standards Committee rather than as a Labour MP, recommended a 30-day suspension for Paterson. Bryant also made a speech directly to the Commons informing Members of the details so they could make up their own minds.

Labour, and every party but the Tories, voted against the attempt to change the standards system to protect Paterson (and anyone else who might be guilty of corruption).

This is not something where you can wave your hands and pretend it's all too hard for us plebs to understand,Hmm or that no one else would be able to do better.

eddiemairswife · 08/11/2021 15:14

He can't attend because he's been to The North and will be on the train home. However that didn't stop him from flying back from Scotland last week for a private dinner with some mates.

girlmom21 · 08/11/2021 15:08

@Sean2001

I think this is the beginning. Labour have finally got their teeth in and from now on won't let go.
Imagine being confident of Labour making a comeback on the basis of the Conservative leader being a massive twat, rather than them having some half-decent policies...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we don't need new leadership, but I think the government we elect needs to be based on what they propose to improve the country, not just someone who can prove they're the lesser of two evils morally.

ilovesooty · 08/11/2021 15:05

evading questions

Oh the irony...

VickyEadieofThigh · 08/11/2021 14:59

I've been on a campaign for some years to stop people referring to him in matey fashion as "Boris" - it gives me the rage when newspapers do it, even in the same article referring to "Boris" and then "Starmer".

He's not anybody's mate and nobody should do it unless they're a personal friend. It's encouraged a benign "Aww, good old Boris - he's a laugh, innee?" mentality.

PinkiOcelot · 08/11/2021 14:58

Johnson and his cronies are all an absolute disgrace. I think something should be done to get rid of the lot of them.

the80sweregreat · 08/11/2021 14:57

@Katyppp

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK. You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc. In real life, things are a lot more nuanced and lots of the issues considered very important on MN hardly raise an eyebrow. The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again, until Labour have a credible offering that people can relate to, not just spend all their time (over) reacting, finger-pointing and name calling. Actually setting out what they would actually do in a given situation instead of just going on about how awful the Tories are and evading questions woykd be a good start.
I agree with you completely.
Katyppp · 08/11/2021 14:54

The problem is, MN is not representative of the UK.
You will gets endless posters on here, agreeing with you and trying to outdo each other on how much they hate the Tories, are in real lifeashamed of our Government, sorry for people they consider to have been shafted by the Tories etc etc etc.
In real life, things are a lot more nuanced and lots of the issues considered very important on MN hardly raise an eyebrow.
The Tories were voted in last time and they will be voted in again, until Labour have a credible offering that people can relate to, not just spend all their time (over) reacting, finger-pointing and name calling.
Actually setting out what they would actually do in a given situation instead of just going on about how awful the Tories are and evading questions woykd be a good start.

readwhatiactuallysay · 08/11/2021 14:43

Im embarrassed for our country, that our voting systems is such, that this man can be our PM.

That so many people have such low moral standards and low standards for their expectations of how we , as the public, should be treated.

Anyone who did a little bit of homework on him, knows he was mot remotely interested in doing the job, just wanted the title.
He has no moral compass and possibly the most obviously corrupt we have seen yet, but yet he wins votes.

Im still to hear a few things that he has delivers successfully whilst being in power,all we hear is the ridiculous excuse of "labour are no competition ".....heres an idea, thers not just 2 parties and you don't have to vote (i know its a disgrace but you don't have to) so don't vote for someone who will be at the detriment to the country, just because you don't like another party.

But yes anyone who voted him in and keeps defending him, should be ashamed yes

ilovesooty · 08/11/2021 14:42

Are we to assume 17% of this poll believe Johnson isn't corrupt?

DeeCeeCherry · 08/11/2021 14:42

He appeals to racists and xenophobes. Thats enough for the Tories to continually shaft the British public yet be voted back in.

I do hear peoole moaning about him in RL but they don't vote anyway. The silent and the apathetic are the Tories' best allies

I saw a thread where the line being pushed was voteTory because Labour is shit on womens' rights.

Yet I cant imagine by a long shot that the Tories have championed womens' rights. Its any excuse..

ilovesooty · 08/11/2021 14:41

@DirectionToPerfection

The whole "they're all as bad as each other" mantra is infuriating.

No, they really are not.

Agreed. However according to Mumsnet people are falling over themselves to ensure that this corrupt government is voted in again.
RoseRedRoseBlue · 08/11/2021 14:40

@VickyEadieofThigh

I'm not ashamed personally, as I have despised him openly since I was first aware of him.

YANBU, though.

Completely this. He was an utter disgrace long before he got near No 10.
the80sweregreat · 08/11/2021 14:38

The problem is the Tories will say ' they are all as bad as each other ' and Tony Blair will be held up as one example of this.
People will still vote for the conservatives at the next election too.
This won't make much difference to anything.

PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2021 14:37

@Kaibashira

YANBU but don't call it sleaze. That minimises what should be called what it is - institutional corruption.
This.
Kaibashira · 08/11/2021 14:37

YANBU but don't call it sleaze. That minimises what should be called what it is - institutional corruption.

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