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C.F Neighbour?/parking.... aibu?

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Dunkling · 25/08/2021 14:21

I don't think iabu, but at the same time am questioning if I'm petty.

Our house shares a private drive with 2 others. This entire area is owned, not just a right of way, by all 3 houses, equal maintenance etc, and not split down the middle in ownership or anything.

The shared drive after a few metres splits to privately owned drives, side by side, with their garages for us and ok neighbours. It then continues in the opposite direction to house of the C.F's in my mind, whereupon it then enters into their privately owned drive area. This area is 2 parking spaces and a turning area, all within their own land, as without this turning area they would have to reverse all the way out, all along the drive, and down a hill before leaving the drive which is a total blind spot even going forwards. This is because the shared drive area is only one car width, so manouvering is not possible in any way for them. They also have their own car entrance directly from the street on another side of their garden.

Ourselves and ok neighbours are able to turn and manouvre using the shared driveway as our drives lead onto a bend, so providing a swing.

As is usual with this set up, no parking except for quick unloading is allowed as this leaves the drive completely blocked. So actually, ok neighbours are not that ok as they frequently park, let their friends park, have put a skip on the bend with no heads up, park overhanging into the shared area leaving it impossible to turn, wood delivery dumped. So pretty sh!tty neighbours actually!

But, the aibu. House 3, have built a decking /bbq/seating area filling their parking area. They have also extended the house into their turning area, and with an already virtually non existent garden, now have next to no space. They have also built a shed in the gate from the other side of the house, so that is totally blocked.

So, C.Fs have taken to parking on the shared drive outside their boundary as they have run out of space. This doesn't block us as it only leads to them, but due to the hill and length, drive in forwards. Then, they utilize our drive to turn around when leaving. They have also built a storage shed (garden equipment type size) on the shared drive alongside where they park. They are also planning, as their garden is now no longer able to house their car, to build a wall at the end of the drive with just a pedestrian access for them.

We have told them we are not in agreement as this is shared ownership with costs to all.

Day to day it doesn't affect us, but I can't help thinking... "CFs have bought a house with tiny garden made even tinier by more building so decided to remove their parking and turning, claiming the end of the shared land to use as their own personal parking, along with storage shed, and using our personal land to turn instead.

Are they CFs? Am I being petty and need to get a life? And if/when they build a wall making it a dead end, seeing as they park there, and as it will definitely not block any other cars, wibu to park there also on a 1st come basis to p!ss them off and reclaim what is also still ours, something they seem to have forgotten?

C.F Neighbour?/parking.... aibu?
OP posts:
JadeSeahorse · 25/08/2021 15:15

So correct me if I'm wrong but from your fantastic drawing which notes your house by the road and entrance of the drive, it appears you all drive in from the road forwards but CF's are then having to reverse back down until they reach the spaces in front of your garages and using one of these spaces to turn the car, thereby enabling them to drive out of the driveway forwards?

If that is the case then I can confidently say that would be a massive no from me and I honestly couldn't care less whether they like it or not.

We live on a small cul de sac and paid a huge amount extra to the developers to have a double drive built. (Small, private development.)
Young woman across the road - daddy's girl and very spoilt - decided to use the end of our drive to turn her car around. 🤬. I stood at my window making a point of watching her do this one day and once she caught my eye I gave her a serious death stare and shook my head. She hasn't done it since but we didn't receive our usual Christmas card from her father last year.🤣

Think I'll live!

Seriously you need to nip this in the bud NOW otherwise there could be huge repercussions if and when you decide to sell.

TeaChocKitKat · 25/08/2021 15:08

You aren't being petty and you need to stop this from getting out of hand. These shared accessways can be a nightmare. I've had similar problems and neither the council or the police will help because its considered to be private property. I'd dig out your deeds and get some proper legal advice if i were you.

Waspsarearseholes · 25/08/2021 15:07

@Dunkling

waspsarearseholes

Um.. boiling frog? Confused Grin

Oh sorry, it's not a very pleasant analogy actually. Basically it's if you put a frog in boiling water it would know it was dangerous so would jump out but if you put it in cold water and very gradually raise the temperature it wouldn't perceive any danger until it's too late. A bit grim but thought it illustrated your situation quite well.
Dunkling · 25/08/2021 15:03

waspsarearseholes

Um.. boiling frog? Confused Grin

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SevenOldLadies · 25/08/2021 15:01

I’m not entirely clear where they want to put the wall - is that on your shared land as well?

I’d definitely look to be putting something at the end of your drive so they can’t use it as a turning space, and would be making them take the communal space shed down. Or putting my own up where they currently park…

Dunkling · 25/08/2021 15:00

viques ha ha, funny!

lol... yeah, managed to waste the best part of 2 days on that Grin

Penguin Bollards not an option but appreciate the statutory mention lol.

For those that mentioned selling that part, it is something I've been thinking, but if the onus here was, "have you been smoking something?" then obviously CFs would think similarly.

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Daleksatemyshed · 25/08/2021 14:58

Sorry can't type, meant drive

Daleksatemyshed · 25/08/2021 14:57

I don't drive so parking is not a worry, but just wanted to say really nice diagram @Dunkling, love the little details. Watch out for the CF's, they seem to be taking the area over by stealth. Tine for a word with the Council and/or a bollard on your druve?

TheWoleb · 25/08/2021 14:57

So the shed is on the shared land, owned by you all?

That needs to go and the wall cannot be put up. It doesn't belong to them. But these disputes become very expensive very quickly so that's something you need to think about if you go the legal route.

You need to put bollards at the end of your driveway and see if you're okish neighbour will do the same so the 3rd neighbour cannot use your drives to turn.

BlackShadowCat · 25/08/2021 14:57

It’s a land grab. You do need to challenge them using the shared driveway as their own personal land. How about inviting everyone over for drinks and reiterating that the deeds state clearly no parking in the shared driveway? I guess it won’t go down well. I’d definitely block off my parking so they can’t use it for turning though.

Still1nLove · 25/08/2021 14:55

Wow, you should seek legal advice as soon as possible. They cannot out a shed in the shared drive and definitely can’t build a wall. What would stop them claiming the land at a later date?

arootintootingoodtime · 25/08/2021 14:54

Firstly, amazing diagram.

Secondly, I do think you do need to put your foot down now or they'll probably start even worse CF-ery. I'd definitely get a bollard for your private driveway too.

Waspsarearseholes · 25/08/2021 14:53

Wow, that diagram is one of the best!
They are definitely CFers and are probably banking on the boiling frog scenario, where they just take a little bit here and there until they've got themselves a nice plot of land. I agree with a PP suggesting you approach them about buying that bit of land from you and other neighbour. Just the suggestion of it will highlight their CFery at using the shared land for sheds, etc. Mention that their adjustments must make it very difficult for them to get in and out as there is nowhere for them to turn their cars round as they obviously can't use your or your neighbour's drive to do so. Get some advice from a solicitor first so you know you've got the law on your side.

WitchBaby · 25/08/2021 14:52

@SisterBeaverhausen

Is that an accurate diagram of your dog? If so I'm going to need pictures.

Also yanbu. Unless you don't show me your dog.

Ha, I've just noticed the dog 😂

AngelPrint · 25/08/2021 14:52

Based on your quite excellent diagram… I’d get together with OK ish neighbours and offer to sell the end section of the drive to the CF neighbours.

That land won’t affect you but can make some money and ensure that they understand it’s on condition that they don’t then park on the shared drive.

bravotango · 25/08/2021 14:52

Came here to view/congratulate you on your 1st class diagram

WitchBaby · 25/08/2021 14:52

Yes it needs sorting asap before they take over the whole driveway, CFs.

Fabulous diagram 👏

SisterBeaverhausen · 25/08/2021 14:52

Is that an accurate diagram of your dog? If so I'm going to need pictures.

Also yanbu. Unless you don't show me your dog.

Piffle11 · 25/08/2021 14:50

If you let them get away with it, if this is going to be a nightmare to sort out should you ever need to sell your property.

MyOtherProfile · 25/08/2021 14:49

@WhoaBettyWhite

C'mon, you know the rules.... diagram required..!!!
Op has done a superb diagram!

CF for sure. I would keep explaining to them that it's shared land not theirs.

viques · 25/08/2021 14:48

Ps if that is your dog who I note is about the size of a family car, I would smear chicken livers on the wheels and wing mirrors of nasty neighbours cars parked on the road, and let the pup loose.

FreeBritnee · 25/08/2021 14:47

And this is why one stipulation of our house move is NO SHARED DRIVEWAYS. Honestly this scenario is completely notorious for this set up. YANBU but it’s what you signed up for sadly.

HotPenguin · 25/08/2021 14:46

YANBU! Surely though they can't build a wall, how would a fire engine get on to the property? Or a truck if they ever wanted building work done? They sound bonkers. I would stop them turning on your drive for sure, or they will claim a right of access over it.

WhoaBettyWhite · 25/08/2021 14:46

Oops, my bad Smile

KatherineOfGaunt · 25/08/2021 14:45

Yeah, I would get a lawyer to have a look or something. They can't lay claim to any part of the driveway that is owned by everyone, including putting stuff on it like a shed! You need to get this sorted sooner rather than later. And a penguin bollard for your drive!