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To think that equestrian events are ridiculous

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BFrazzled · 02/08/2021 23:05

In the Olympics.

Poor horses. This ridiculous dancing in dressage, who the hell thought of that?

There was one winner of the dressage contest who supposedly also won in the nineties. No mention of the horse, guess it was with a different one then Hmm

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Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 14:44

Well said Dorothee

To think that equestrian events are ridiculous
Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 14:34

A saddle, bit and bridle don't hurt the horse unless they don't fit properly
Like shoes for humans

liveforsummer · 05/08/2021 14:32

Why can't you ride a horse without breaking it in then? Without a saddle? Without a bit? Without spurs?

You can do all those things but long term it's not comfortable for rider or horse without a saddle. People can and do ride without bits but some horses go better with them

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 14:18

You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. You can try to explain equestrianism to some people and they still won’t think.

alloalloallo · 05/08/2021 14:10

@VeryLongBeeeep

While I have no doubt that some tack and training methods could be improved, I find it difficult to take seriously the suggestions from someone who doesn't appreciate there are differences between a four legged flight animal, a four legged predator and a two legged mammal which has evolved to walk upright, or seems unable to understand that both understanding and design has moved on since primitive man first shoved a piece of rough metal between a horse's teeth.
This!

Pressure is not the same as pain and a properly fitted bit, used correctly, doesn’t cause pain

Plus, DD doesn’t use a metal one - she has a rubber one.

whistlers · 05/08/2021 14:10

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@Polkadotties

Why can't you ride a horse without breaking it in then? Without a saddle? Without a bit? Without spurs?

If they love being ridden so much surely they'd do it for treats or love?[/quote]
You can ride a horse without all those things

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 13:50

A properly fitted bit doesn't cause pain, wtf are you on about?

Pressure isn't the same as pain 🙄

VeryLongBeeeep · 05/08/2021 13:49

While I have no doubt that some tack and training methods could be improved, I find it difficult to take seriously the suggestions from someone who doesn't appreciate there are differences between a four legged flight animal, a four legged predator and a two legged mammal which has evolved to walk upright, or seems unable to understand that both understanding and design has moved on since primitive man first shoved a piece of rough metal between a horse's teeth.

Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 13:41

Bits are designed to put 'pressure' (pain) on a certain part of a horse's mouth if they move in a certain way. It's a fairly simple design. A horse has always been bigger and stronger than a human, therefore if you want it to do your bidding you have to train it. The way this works with such a big animal is the pain response. A horse quickly learns that if it tries to jerk it's rider off or chose its own direction the reins will be pulled and it will hurt. So it learns (like all pain response training) to do what it has to to avoid the pain. This becomes ingrained. But if the horse is scared or hurt it will rear up or get flighty, and the rider yanks the reins. Pain.

So to all those riders who say that their horse doesn't jerk their head or needs minimal rein usage- your animal has simply learned (been trained) to avoid pain. Of course after a while it's going to take the option that doesn't hurt it. This is the same type of training people used to use on dogs before they realised training a fear response into an animal was cruel. Choke chains for dogs are considered very poor training. Of course the dog will stop pulling when it's being strangled. But it's wrong and it hurts the animal.

But to all these people who say that their horse doesn't mind the bit or my saddle is sooo expensive and comfortable here's a challenge for you that none of you will take up. If your horse training is so nice and cruelty free you'll have no issues trying it on yourself. Put your money where your mouth is.

Buy yourself an expensive rucksack, you know one that is designed for your back and really comfortable. Make sure it fits beautifully. Bit like a nice saddle for a horse. Then put 30kg of weight in it. Put on your rucksack. Now get a bit made for a small pony. Put it in your mouth ensuring the metal sits on the fleshy cartilage behind your teeth. Tie it in place. Try and figure out what you should do with your tongue. Make sure that the bit can't come out. Then go for a two hour run. I imagine you'd find within seconds that having something in your mouth whilst exerting yourself is horrendous.

But the sad thing is that the horse accepts the bit because it it 'misbehaves' it hurts.

You can all go on thinking it's fine but to me it's just not worth it for human entertainment in the form of dressage or racing. Humans have an awful track record with animals and always give the same excuses "they like it" "it doesn't hurt them" "they don't feel it like us"

@Bryonyshcmyony any of the other horse riders...would you do dressage without the horse but with the big heavy rucksack and bit in your mouth?

gwenneh · 05/08/2021 13:10

@budgun

Although I also don't doubt that some posters have certainly seen the worst of the riding school world and are basing analysis of a discipline on a very narrow scope of experience.

Oh I hope that is not how my post came across.

No, but it was a good reminder that the horse industry as a whole is largely unregulated -- anyone with a field and a pony can set their stall out to be a trainer without BHS/ABRS qualification. Some posters' experience of equestrian sports will be these places, and it's a world away from dressage.
Abhannmor · 05/08/2021 13:09

Lots of events are a bit silly tbh. I don't want to begrudge anyone their medal. If an Irish woman won gold for skate boarding or shooting no doubt I'd be happy. But if she won the marathon I'd be actually impressed .

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 13:03

@budgun

Although I also don't doubt that some posters have certainly seen the worst of the riding school world and are basing analysis of a discipline on a very narrow scope of experience.

Oh I hope that is not how my post came across.

No it didn't, although a two ring gag wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me.
budgun · 05/08/2021 13:02

Although I also don't doubt that some posters have certainly seen the worst of the riding school world and are basing analysis of a discipline on a very narrow scope of experience.

Oh I hope that is not how my post came across.

gwenneh · 05/08/2021 12:37

@Bryonyshcmyony

Some of the anti bit and tack posts must be a wind up surely?
Without a doubt.

Although I also don't doubt that some posters have certainly seen the worst of the riding school world and are basing analysis of a discipline on a very narrow scope of experience.

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 12:22

Some of the anti bit and tack posts must be a wind up surely?

gwenneh · 05/08/2021 12:18

@Bryonyshcmyony

Sorry not sure why that's posted twice
Extra post for emphasis because it's true?

Honestly. If you kicked any of the GP horses at our yard you'd be carted into next week*, and if you pulled on their mouths you'd be on the ground. The bit is an aid, not a lever.

*I have a loud leg. I certainly can't ride them.

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 12:13

Sorry not sure why that's posted twice

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 12:12

@budgun

I once approached a riding school for DS to get a feel for rising before we got him his own pony. They wanted to book him for the following week but I asked if I could observe a lesson first. They were happy to let me but half the ponies were ridden in gags. I left and we did not return. It's places like this that breed bad horse owners.
I agree ideally horses would go in snaffles, particularly at riding schools when people will have poor hands.

But this thread was started to discuss Olympic level riding and horses and its been predictably hijacked by the "riding horses is bad, horses wearing tack is bad" brigade.

budgun · 05/08/2021 12:12

But this thread was started to discuss Olympic level riding and horses and its been predictably hijacked by the "riding horses is bad, horses wearing tack is bad" brigade.

So the progression in conversation is not allowed?

Olympic level riders start somewhere

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 12:04

@budgun

I once approached a riding school for DS to get a feel for rising before we got him his own pony. They wanted to book him for the following week but I asked if I could observe a lesson first. They were happy to let me but half the ponies were ridden in gags. I left and we did not return. It's places like this that breed bad horse owners.
I agree ideally horses would go in snaffles, particularly at riding schools when people will have poor hands.

But this thread was started to discuss Olympic level riding and horses and its been predictably hijacked by the "riding horses is bad, horses wearing tack is bad" brigade.

OzziePopPop · 05/08/2021 12:04

Btw, pre-disabilities I evented my own three horses, one of whom was an ex-racehorse (national hunt (jumps to those who don’t know)). All my horses got incredibly well looked after, it’s necessary to maintain their health at a high level to compete. No they didn’t have ‘bit damage’ cos they were looked after, went to the dentist regularly etc. I’m the one who ended up ‘damaged’ (wheelchair user now), they are all happily retired due to age. I still see them as much as I am fit to.

OzziePopPop · 05/08/2021 12:01

Try it, go on, just once! I bet it’s nothing like as easy as you think. It’s also not easy to look after/maintain the health of a horse to the standard needed to event. They are incredibly fit, well treated, healthy, their health and fitness is checked multiple times throughout the competition (much more than the human’s health!)

Seriously, you have no clue what you’re talking about.

budgun · 05/08/2021 11:47

I once approached a riding school for DS to get a feel for rising before we got him his own pony. They wanted to book him for the following week but I asked if I could observe a lesson first. They were happy to let me but half the ponies were ridden in gags. I left and we did not return. It's places like this that breed bad horse owners.

alloalloallo · 05/08/2021 11:36

My oldie had an extra tooth so we have the dentist out every 3 months - he has a squizz at DD’s pony while he’s there. Her teeth and mouth are damage free

I love our EDT - I swear he’s an actual wizard

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 11:23

My horses don't have mouth or teeth damage from bits. I know this because they go to amazing equine dentist every year to be x rayed and to have their teeth rasped.

Do people really believe this shit?