Men in lingerie shops

'When I go to a shoe shop and get my feet measured, I don't get all coy that opposite sexes are watching me and taking notes that I'm 4E. A bra is no different. '

You think that in society breasts are considered in the same way as feet?

Are you sure?!

MakeMathsFun

I'm trying to remember situations like you describe- can you say how the guardedness can be noticed? Is it when a man is alone eg in s lift with a woman type thing?

I honestly don't think I've ever had a man seem, well scared I suppose.

I'm not taking the piss etc I'm genuinely interested.

If it makes me remember some situations I can be more considerate in future.

I always thought that men were more at risk of sexually motivated crime from other men. I'm sure I read that somewhere.

Can we be sure that the teen was uncomfortable because of the men? Afterall, she was "already a bit nervous about having a bra fitting".
Maybe it was the mother who was more uncomfortable. Did anyone ask the girl her personal opinion in the matter?
And what is all this fuss about getting a fitting? When I go to a shoe shop and get my feet measured, I don't get all coy that opposite sexes are watching me and taking notes that I'm 4E. A bra is no different. The only difference is that the media loves to suppress body image confidence which leads to young girls' worrying about their bodies. It is that which causes unnecessary embarrassments. The men who wait for their wives are not paying any attention to it.
How often do you hear women ask, "do you think my bum looks too big in this?"? Then compare this with how often you hear a man ask, "do you think my bum looks too big in this?". The reality has two contradictory notions: (1) self-body-awareness and criticism based on perceived judgments; and (2) more women than men wear tight fitting or revealing garments. these two facts are in direct conflict with one-another. Quite frankly men are not as obsessed as many women might imply. In fact, judging by these blogs and magazines, it is the women who impose critique heavily on women. For example, if a female celebrity doesn't shave her armpits, there's a massive assault, akin to bullying. Who gives anyone the right to judge or condemn? In this example the threat does not come from men.
My point is that threats come from all sides. However, a man sitting passively waiting in a chair outside a changing room is no more a threat than a lump of coal. Posters of models with fake smiles and tattood eyebrows on the other hand add to emotional feelings of inadequacy amongst many young women (and girls) who succumb to the peer pressure of contemporary fashion to 'fit in'. It is this that leads to 'embarrassment' about bra sizes, not men in chairs!

@unsureofneighbour

Have you ever wondered why so many men (too) seem guarded?
The difference is that the 'guarded men' tend to remain silent because complaining would undermine their expected masculinity further.
When a women catcalls a man, stares at him, pinches his bottom or goes for a full-on frontal grope, strangely it goes unrecorded.
I agree that nobody should feel sexually threatened (or threatened in any other way also), but it is not just men who are the aggressors. There are many women too who cajole, molest and/or manipuilate. So please stop blaming "all men" when its not all men, but actually women too.

@justasking111

Well the post that had me ROFL was the one that said they thought that Ann Summers shouldn't be for men

Whut, I missed that one
OK, on a level I can get on board with Ann Summers at home parties being not for men.
As it does get bawdy and party game like (think Max and Paddy lol) and the whole dynamic would change if blokes were there.

In the middle of the Anne Summers shop though?
Nah, not so much, if you're happy to peruse Rampant Rabbits, Black Ribbed Knobblers, Purple Dynamos or flavoured condoms in public then that's a different ball game (no pun intended lol)

Checked this out with all males in our family because it seems pretty polarising on here. Absolute unanimous view is that they wouldn't sit outside the changing room because they would be aware it could make some younger teenage girls feel uncomfortable. There view is there is just no need and if it saves someone feeling uncomfortable then why do it.
Of course it is all natural and nothing to be embarrassed about, but the fact is that some young teenage girls do feel embarrassed. It's not about bad parenting or passing insecurities to daughters. It's just about giving them some space. If a dad has to be there then fine but that is probably the exception. And why not have the seats a bit away from the entrance do any discussions going in are private enough.

Not RTFT only a bit.

**OP

next time you could get your DD measured in the fitting room and then you and/ or can nip out and get things for her to try on.

That's the easiest solution.

As to the general question

Men being there is fine
Lots of men I think would go for a wander anyway. It's not like you can come out and show like with clothes. And many men would feel it's not really their place/ think women might feel uncomfy etc.

Loads of teen girls would feel uncomfy looking at underwear in front of blokes. I was at that age. It's not unusual and it's not wrong it's just that loads of teens both boys and girls are very very self conscious.

@Wearywithteens the men on my family are also lovely!

Bravissimo IS NOT SPECIFICALLY AN UNDERWEAR SHOP.

I buy dresses, cardigans, jackets etc from there. And my husband has the best eye for knowing what I look good in. He patiently waits for me to come out in various items. In quieter times, I've also come out to get his opinion on Swimwear. And I've never been asked to sit and wait in Bravissimo either.

Why shouldn't my lovely helpful husband be allowed to sit on a sofa in between items? When someone is spending hundreds of pounds in a shop and doesn't want to make expensive mistakes?

Congratulations you made it onto the daily mail online 😒👏🏼

I love it when posters spell 'mens' as 'menz'. It really gives me an insight into their minds and helps me decode their thought process.

It practise, it tells me to ignore them.

Well the post that had me ROFL was the one that said they thought that Ann Summers shouldn't be for men.

Definitely two entirely different worlds.

I can tell the difference thread has a lot of men haters, or is it menz haters?

Thread has a lot of people weirdly invested in the idea that women who want privacy from male strangers have something wrong with them, and who have been here 24/7 for the past few days making sure they are first with a nasty comment or illogical tirade in response to any woman who thinks women and girls should be allowed healthy boundaries. Very strange behaviour indeed.

You made the daily Mail. Lol 😂

Please quote which post denies the right to privacy and is advocating communal and mix changing rooms for underwear? I give you a clue, it's not on this thread...

It's funny how some posters are willingly twisting the subject of this thread.

You don't have to be a bitter man hater to prefer privacy away from male strangers when dealing with any personal matters to do with your female body. The fact that some posters here claim to be unable to tell the difference between a normal healthy boundary and being a bitter man hater is seriously pathetic.