Men in lingerie shops

Women are supposed to be there, are entitled to be able to check the first without being observed by men.

I've lost count of the number of times when I did used to use changing rooms in shops, to open the door/curtain and find a man there, looking me up and down, sizing me up and just generally appraising me. That man could be anybody's husband - ostensibly there for all the reasons that some excusing posters have given already - to give an opinion on their partner.

I wonder if they'd feel the same if they'd seen the looks and heard the comments from their 'd'H's. Vile. Not all, but enough that I won't use the changing rooms now, to my own inconvenience but... men.must.prevail.everywhere.

I really hope that some of you actually catch your staring/gawking/ogling men in the act, it might focus your attention to the benefit of your daughters, if no other woman. Perhaps the idea that your men could be/actually are there for reasons other than offering an opinion on your clothes, will give you food for thought.

Or, will you just blame the woman that your partner is checking out?

And by telling young girls that their dad can’t possibly take them to get a new bra or whatever then you are automatically sending them a message that they should be embarrassed about talking about such things near their father which isn’t a healthy message anyway - especially if the father is the key adult in their life

@BlueSurfer

Exactly. I mean in my case I had no choice at all as my mum was dead. But I know this applies equally to others too even if mum is alive.

YABU I do get why your daughter would feel uncomfortable as I have adult friends who get embarrassed about buying bras, sanitary products etc still but I think banning men from sitting outside the changing rooms is not a suitable solution as there are many father’s who need to take their daughters like you had to.

How many young girls are in the situation where their mum has sadly died and they don’t have any other female in their life?

This was exactly my situation

So strange that so many women can't understand why a girl might not want to show middle aged ,men her underwear or talk to a woman about her bra size in front of them.

Posters who are adult and don't mind someone gawping at them should remember that it's very different when you're 15.

And "hogging the sofa" means that they are sitting on the sofa when they are not paying customers, when there are paying customers who are standing nearby.

Well obviously YABU OP, because the menz can't be upset or inconvenienced by anything that makes women more comfortable and safe these days so...

But seriously. They don't need to be there. A department store is a bit different, that sells everything. Bravissimo is a knickers and bra shop. There's no need for them to be hanging around, and any decent man would realise that him being there might make some women or girls feel a bit uncomfortable and bugger off elsewhere for a half and hour. I personally wouldn't care, but others might (and clearly do!).

It's the same for baby feeding areas. Yes, they are technically allowed in there but there's absolutely no need and a new (or any) mum who chooses to go in there rather than feed elsewhere in public clearly is looking for a bit of privacy so the decent thing to do is for the men to keep out! DH and I went into one the first time we took Dd out when she was newborn and he followed me in, quickly clicked onto the fact that it was clearly a space for women and left to get a coffee. They're don't need to hang around like a spare part. Obviously I didn't give a shit if he was in there but other women probably would have! Other men weren't so considerate and it did make people uncomfortable.

But women aren't entitled to their spaces anymore, are they!

I live in the middle east and sometimes wonder if the Muslim ladies feel awkward when my husband is there. I have asked one lazy who was fully covered and she said duh, we only cover in public and that doesn't include me holding a bra 9n a hanger.

I shall never understand why men need to be in a lingerie shop in the first place.

I have never, in a fairly long life, taken a man shopping when I buy underwear or clothes. It's something I do for myself; definitely wouldn't want a man hanging around waiting for me.

If it's part of a general shopping trip and he looking after the kids, or he's even by himself, why can't they/he go somewhere else while they wait, instead of sitting around getting in the way of women actually wanting to shop.

I wouldn't want to stand around with my kid, well I wouldn't have wanted to when my kids were younger, while the man in my life shopped for pants or shirts or whatever. I can find more interesting way to create boredom if I've got nothing to do.

I dress for myself too, but there's still nothing wrong with asking someone's opinion!

A beach is not a woman's space specifically - a women's changing room is.

but they won't IN the changing room, were they. They're just waiting outside.

No one is forcing you to step out of your cubicle and look at yourself in the communal mirror.

lingerie shops aren’t really marketed for teen girls getting fittings though. Their target audience is definitely adult couples spicing up their sex life

Every time I've been to Rigby & Peller in Knightsbridge, it has been women of all ages going there to get fitted for bras. No sign of 'adult couples spicing up their sex lifes'. Are you sure you're not getting confused with Ann Summers?

YABU and completely ridiculous.

Being embarrassed because you are seen carrying a pack of bras to be tried on? Honestly, no.

I hope you've wised up by the time your daughter approaches puberty.

What does "hogging the sofa' meaning?

Is it a female only sofa.?
Do women still expect men to stand up so they can sit down?

Surely the person that gets to the sofa first gers to sit on it?

What world do sone people live on?

*Have you never popped out of the changing room to ask a partner’s opinion?

No, I have a mind of my own. And I dress for myself, not for anyone else.

No, never felt the need to ask a man's opinion on my clothes.

Me either.

All you can do is raise a complaint with the store’s head office and see if anything changes the next time you’re in

Would me nice to not have the seating area right outside the changing rooms. Could be moved some else in the store.

OP lingerie shops aren’t really marketed for teen girls getting fittings though. Their target audience is definitely adult couples spicing up their sex life - hence why they allow partners to wait outside etc. Teens aren’t their priority unfortunately