Men in lingerie shops

@JustGiveMeGin
“Most decent men don't walk around thinking every woman/girl they come into contact with is going to fear them...”
I’d say it’s a prerequisite of being a decent man actually. Having an awareness of their masculine presence and how that can be a threat to women. My lovely dad certainly does, and brought my dbs up to be aware and my ds too. Examples
•not following a woman- ie crossing the road esp in the dark.
•moving train carriage as it empties to avoid being alone with a woman, especially at night.
•taking space, not man spreading or blocking an entrance.
•not hanging around in underwear shops.
It’s hardly rocket science.

This. What's wrong with having a partner's opinion on a bra?! 🤷‍♀️

I know that DH would just say ‘is it comfortable?’. I can’t say I ever ask about the comfort of his underpants.

Bad parenting OP, don't infect your daughter with your insecurities. Breasts are just a normal part of a human body, they come in different sizes and can be discussed in front of male humans.

Weird how many posters need their husband’s opinion. Do husbands even have an opinion on bras.

They do, if they are allowed to have one.

We get it, you are not interested by the physical aspect. That probably makes you superior. Well done you.

cogee, why can't you leave the changing room to show your husband whatever it is you've tried on?

I do. He is waits outside. Usually sitting on the seating provided for that purpose. Like the sofas in Bravissimo.

However, even waiting outside appears to be a no no to some.

[quote HundredMilesAnHour]**@pleasedonttextmyman* No need to be so snide. Your experience is different to @LyingWitchInTheWardrobebut* but that doesn't invalidate her experience. There are plenty of posts on this thread, including ones from lingerie shop staff (!) that support her experience.[/quote]
what are the chances of assault from a man accompanying his wife or daughter in a lingerie changing room, really?

but if we're just talking about a single/SAH dad picking up a new pack of pants for his daughter?

Wouldn't he/she just get it online - she isn't trying them on for fit.

Maybe I'm lucky but I do not live in permanent fear of anything with a penis (very lucky considering I have a teenage son). We cannot judge every man on the actions of a few.

Yes, you are lucky. Some people do live in fear of men, because of the way they have been treated by men in the past.
The problem is that we can’t tell by looking which men are the bad guys and which ones are the good guys, and some of us have learned that if you assume they’re good then you end up getting hurt. If you assume they’re bad then all that might be hurt is a man’s feelings.

Weird how many posters need their husband’s opinion. Do husbands even have an opinion on bras? I wouldn’t ever think to ask mine what he thought, if I like it and I think it looks good on me I buy it.

Exactly, fine if they are a parent or carer who needs to be there, but they should have the sense to know it's a women's space.

Often their woman invited them there though...

Some people can't let their partners out their sight. It's so weird. My DH wouldn't be hanging around the shop whilst women and girls were browsing and trying on underwear. He would browse in another shop or something.

DH would be non plussed if I asked him to go bra shopping with me.

You don't have to live in fear of a penis to think that most nice blokes would think, "Oh those women will want a bit of privacy - I'll move away from the bra-fitting room."

You'd probably get further with the shop manager - pointing out men waiting on the sofa in it's current position was off putting to your teenage DD and possibly other women.

Possibly having staff wait till in changing room to ask bra sizes may also be something they'd like to considered.

I had large breasts early in life they do come with unwanted male attention and gazes - which doesn't help body confidence - and I've had women who never had the problems I've had insist it's all in my head - yet talk to other women with large breasts and they've had usually exactly the same experiences.

This is a shop catering for larger breasts perhaps they need to think about their polices a bit more.

I mainly buy bras for my two DDs and myself on-line now - it's just easier for me and my teens seem to prefer it done that way and there many guides available for measuring - nerarest bravissimo I'd have to travel to next city to find so would expect a pleasant experince as possible.

I never said that men should be banned. I appreciate a minority do have a valid reason to be there. I just wish the rest had the social awareness to realise that they don’t need to be there, and there presence may make women uncomfortable so it may be more considerate/tactful to wait elsewhere.
Exactly, fine if they are a parent or carer who needs to be there, but they should have the sense to know it's a women's space.

@BlueSurfer well said! Maybe I'm lucky but I do not live in permanent fear of anything with a penis (very lucky considering I have a teenage son). We cannot judge every man on the actions of a few. They were sat waiting for a woman using the service provided by Bravissimo, I assume they were not sat in the cubicle that you/your daughter wanted to use? Maybe just maybe they thought sitting on the seating provided was socially acceptable 🤔 Most decent men don't walk around thinking every woman/girl they come into contact with is going to fear them...what a bloody sad world it would be if they had to think like that

Ive got to be honest, I hate it. They trail around after their wives/partners obviously bored out their minds and Ive never understood why men need to be there at all. They are usually always hanging about in the exact area of underwear that I want to look at.My husband will not go near a women's lingerie department and he has said he would not want to make women uncomfortable. Im old enough to go shopping for my own underwear. However, I do appreciate what a previous poster said that it may be difficult for a single dad/guardian. Certainly I know men who have brought up daughters alone. I was a very self conscious teen and I would not have appreciated these men being there. Why can't the wives/ partners leave them in a cafe with a newspaper and a cuppa?I hate shopping with my husband unless it's really necessary.

YANBU OP
Fully agree with you. Just no need for it.

@pleasedonttextmyman No need to be so snide. Your experience is different to @LyingWitchInTheWardrobebut but that doesn't invalidate her experience. There are plenty of posts on this thread, including ones from lingerie shop staff (!) that support her experience.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

no need to be so prickly, if you believe it's your experience, no one is denying it.

No one is denying that your own husband is of course different.

They are waiting outside the changing rooms! Do none of you go shopping with your dp's? We go to men's shops and I wait outside the changing room too. It's been a while, not been since feb 20.

I think it's a thing these days, as in lots of men seem to accompany their partners when they are shopping for clothes/underwear etc, they either don't mind, or are actually told to be there. It was not usually a thing years ago,as men didn't like hanging about in those situations,where women were faffing around trying on clothes etc. But now, seats are usually provided for various family members who get in the way of others.

a group on a stag night heckling and giving marks, you'd have a point.

Bored husbands or dads sitting down OUTSIDE the changing rooms and waiting to get on with their day?

It's just being silly now.