Men in lingerie shops

Where's the middle ground then? Should someone with dementia who needs their husband with them never have a bra fitting? (even though weight loss often happens with someone with dementia).

Where do you draw the line? Should men have to do a questionnaire to see whether they're allowed there? What about a single dad to a 10 year old? Should he just leave her with a strange adult alone to talk about her breasts?

beastlyslumber

You are on the wrong thread, we are not talking about communal changing rooms..

Which I have always refused to use personally, as I refuse to use communal changing areas in gyms or swimming pools.

We are talking about private cubicles, cabins or whatever and men being in the shop, or at the door of the changing area.

DH often waits for me outside changing rooms and I him, usually on our phones, in the same way I would with a female friend, we're out shopping together I'm not going to be anymore than five minutes every time I go into a changing room why would I banish him to Costa each time, it's ridiculous. OP said the changing rooms were round the corner nothing could be seen, yes a teen might be uncomfortable queuing with a bra, if she was that mortified you OP could've held them while they waited, but most teens are uncomfortable having a bra fitted regardless and a lot of teens are mortified over things that are absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about. I am very pro women's spaces but they weren't in the space! They were just idly waiting for whichever female they were with be that partner, friend, mother, daughter. I'm sure shop assistants don't allow random men to just walk in and set up camp outside a changing room just on the off chance they hear a bra size. I work with sexual offending honestly this isn't what you should be worrying about.

@beastlyslumber slippery slope....if things can be just for women then equally things should just be for men, no? Or would that wipeout the equality we have been fighting hundreds of years for

Why can't some things be just for women and girls

It has been repeated on this thread on numerous occasions that some women and girls need support to buy bras, whether it's because they're young and would like someone with them, or whether they have a disability or cognitive impairment that means they need support. If the person who supports them is a man what should happen? Should these people just not buy bras?

I see Prude's Law has been wheeled out.

on one side MN scream about equality but on threads like this fathers are not allowed to be involved with their daughters and wait for them in front of a changing room

How is it 'equality' for some poor girl to feel intimidated and uncomfortable because of some bloke hanging around by where she's changing/discussing her bra fitting? Even if it's someone else's dad? Most men would have consideration for this.

Why can't some things be just for women and girls? I don't want a man around when I'm trying on underwear. And in my experience, the only men who WANT to be in those spaces are the ones who really, really shouldn't be there. Most men would feel uncomfortable and worry that they were making women feel uncomfortable. Because most men are great that way.

Feelingmehtoday, yes I would consider a man to have a touch of the dopey about him if he had to accompany his wife buying grundies

@JustGiveMeGin

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[quote JustGiveMeGin]**@feelingmehtoday* & @SchrodingersImmigrant*, perhaps there could be a market for smelling salts again? All these women getting the vapours at the sight of a man shopping I mean, especially if they have to say excuse me so they can see the clothes they want? I thought we had moved on from the sight of a man inducing hysterics, maybe we should all have to stay at home unless we have a chaperone....y'know, to protect our delicate sensibilities [/quote]
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A female shaperone only tho

@Woolywolf I was simply making the point that sometimes your Dad is your only option for such things, as was the case for me growing up.

Dolor- so you're telling other women how they should feel around men in certain situations. Should we all be like you?

@feelingmehtoday & @SchrodingersImmigrant, perhaps there could be a market for smelling salts again? All these women getting the vapours at the sight of a man shopping I mean, especially if they have to say excuse me so they can see the clothes they want? I thought we had moved on from the sight of a man inducing hysterics, maybe we should all have to stay at home unless we have a chaperone....y'know, to protect our delicate sensibilities

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No one would dare suggesting a male-only shopping area, there would be an outcry about the sexism of banning women 😂

Let's ban men from sports shops shall we. The pervs shouldn't be allowed anywhere near me when I buy and try a new chest guard!

I take an equally dim view of women who go into men’s shops with them.

You seem to have a lot of very dim views.

I'm mid 50's now and generally couldn't care less, but sometimes whilst bra shopping there is a man there with his partner who is somehow just a bit too interested in it all that sets me on edge, so I do understand where you're coming from OP.

HollowTalk

It's unacceptable lazy parenting to dump her and disappear for 30 minutes because you are bored!

Who said you couldn't ask for help? You don't dump your kids in a shoe shop because the shop assistant is the one measuring and bringing shoes.

Bloody hell, on one side MN scream about equality but on threads like this fathers are not allowed to be involved with their daughters and wait for them in front of a changing room

Now "dopey" too. 😂

LOL

This is absurd. Stop being such a prude.

I have no problem with father's shopping with daughters, it's the dopey men following their wives around that I don't get, the wife doesn't need chaperoning, some women feel uncomfortable with their presence, so just why not go somewhere else?

Maybe some posters don't realise what Bravissimo is like? It's not like the bras section in M&S, it's a specialist service. So the fitting rooms, you don't usually just go in, try on, come out. You go in with a selection of bras, you normally have the fitter with you, you spend time trying on and discussing the fit and style and detail. It's quite intimate. Not wanting random blokes sat right there in earshot of this discussion is pretty normal, and I would doubt many teenage girls would find this a comfortable situation.

Maybe one or two men would take their teen daughter bra shopping. I think most would enlist a woman to do it, or in Bravissimo, you could simply book a fitting and wait outside the shop/meet up later. No need at all for a man to be there.