Men in lingerie shops

[quote feelingmehtoday]@beastlyslumber

If you read passive aggressiveness into my original question then I'm afraid that's on you, as it absolutely was a genuine question.

It does have relevance to the thread - the thread is about the perceived sexualisation of breasts by men and the debate about whether we should have men in public areas or not where women might be discussing and/or removing their breasts from their clothes. This 100/% applies to the act of breastfeeding in public. [/quote]

My point being, where on earth do we draw the line? Would it be fair for example for a woman to ask a man to leave a public area because she feels uncomfortable feeding her baby? I'd argue not.

I haven't actually been in a Bravissimo. I used to shop in Leia.

Is it similar in that it has closed and locking individual ceiling to floor cubicles, big enough for a person and sales lady, with the cubicles being at a dog leg to the shop, thus out of the direct sight of people waiting in the shop?

@beastlyslumber

If you read passive aggressiveness into my original question then I'm afraid that's on you, as it absolutely was a genuine question.

It does have relevance to the thread - the thread is about the perceived sexualisation of breasts by men and the debate about whether we should have men in public areas or not where women might be discussing and/or removing their breasts from their clothes. This 100/% applies to the act of breastfeeding in public.

The changing rooms should be a women only space without doubt. But this is about the area outside the changing rooms which is a communal area.

Next time I pop in Bravissimo, I AM taking DH with me!

And brought up your breastfeeding class where you clearly expressed a disdain of the idea that any woman would be uncomfortable with men being there.

So I think it was a reasonable question. I'm glad to know you agree that there should be some women-only spaces. I agree. I personally think that the fitting rooms in specialist bra shops should be one of those places, since it is quite personal and intimate, and there really isn't any need for men to be there unless in exceptional circumstances. I mean, I wouldn't ban men outright, but I wouldn't want or expect them to be hanging around there.

In fact I don't ever recall going shopping for clothes with DH, in all the 20 years of marriage, let alone needing his opinion.

What is this "needing" of opinions stuff? It's utterly bizarre to me. I don't "need" my partner's opinion on anything. We just enjoy and value each other's opinions. It's an entirely different concept.

No one is asking you to try on underwear in the middle of the shop.

I’m totally with you op I can not STAND men in lingerie shops. When they look uncomfortable I feel like saying YES, YES YOU SHOULD BE BUGGER OFF!

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Hate it. Wish we could have some safe spaces. An underwear shop definitely is somewhere we should be able to shop without men looking at what we have selected

So do you think there shouldn't be ANY women-only spaces then? Should teen girls have to share all their spaces with boys and men? Is there any space where you think, I'd really feel more comfortable if that man wasn't in here? Or where you'd think, I really would prefer if my teen DD didn't have to do that in front of man?

Nope - I didn't say there should be NO women only spaces. I said that in communal public places such as shops, it should be accepted that either sex may be present.

I can’t see a problem with them sitting their personally.

Go back a different day if you don’t like it.

You should have got your boobs out and whirled them around singing, hey ho I'm a booby baby feeder!

Thanks for this intelligent response. Complete deflection. Because you no doubt realise that men are in fact a part of life and are often (shock horror) in public places. If we don't think of our bodies as sexual objects ourselves, we can remove this weirdness and just get on with our lives.

I'm done with this thread, I genuinely never thought MN was a man hating place as most posters seemed quite sensible....apparently not.
I am a woman, I don't feel the need for all of these so called safe spaces and will go about my business (shopping) with my husband as I please. If the sight of him offends anyone too much they can find somewhere safe and come on here to rant about it 🤷‍♀️

It's a bloody lingerie shop. For women.

So do you think there shouldn't be ANY women-only spaces then? Should teen girls have to share all their spaces with boys and men? Is there any space where you think, I'd really feel more comfortable if that man wasn't in here? Or where you'd think, I really would prefer if my teen DD didn't have to do that in front of man?

Blimey, the excuses that some women will give so that their men can be present in women's space. Pathetic!

I am stunned at women ranting that a SHOP is a "safe" and "woman only" space. What the heck do you do in there that you think it's a woman safe zone?!

Reminds me of posters outraged that some stories goes on other sites, while MN is a "safe" and "private" space You know, 119 million unique and anonymous users 😂

@JustGiveMeGin Erm... no. What are you talking about?

Blimey, the excuses that some women will give so that their men can be present in women's space. Pathetic!

This. Absolutely this. I'm stunned at the attitudes.

Have you never popped out of the changing room to ask a partner’s opinion? It’s a lot easier if they are waiting just outside.

Never. In fact I don't ever recall going shopping for clothes with DH, in all the 20 years of marriage, let alone needing his opinion.

@beastlyslumber what about pubs, they had rooms just for men? Shall we all crawl back to the kitchen and stay home where we're safe from men?

Yes, some things should be just for women, in situations where we are vulnerable/half-naked/talking about women-specific things like breasts and vaginas.

In that case, can you advise on what I should have done when I needed to breastfeed my baby in a baby class with a couple of dads present with their babies, please? I was "half naked" as I had to remove my breast from my top, right? Should I have requested he leave the baby group? Or should I have left it?

bravissimo is a store as any other store. They sell more than bras for a start.

You're the one generalising here. Bravissimo is a specialist store. It's not the same as a department store or even a general clothing store. You seem to be arguing against a point I'm not making.