Men in lingerie shops

@BillMasen

That's probably because you had every right to be there!

M&S - males can be in the same rooms as they are for ‘wherever you feel more comfortable and not sex segregated.

They also have at least 2 (reportedly) bra fitters who are trans woman - which again is surely a matter of ‘feeling comfortable’ surely?

Dd and I carried some bras though M&S the other day as the changing rooms were downstairs. She asked me to carry them as she didn't want everyone to see her underwear. It didn't bother me, men waiting outside a changing room wouldn't bother me too much, but I wouldn't want them eyeing up what DD would be trying on. There are enough men eyeing her up anyway and she's recently become aware of it.

There is no way my DH would have sat on that sofa- and he's quite happy to nip in and purchase items for me.

@feelingmehtoday

Why are all these men being "dragged" or "following" behind their partners like dogs on leashes? I find the use of language on this thread fascinating. I must have the only man in the world who actually enjoys shopping with me and in fact walks himself around like a grown adult instead of being "dragged"

I’ve been in a bravissimo and probably sat on their sofas (if I recall, some way from the actual changing area, they take privacy seriously) and whilst I wouldn’t like to think I made anyone uncomfortable (and would actively try not to) I didn’t feel I shouldn’t have been there

I don’t think most women will come out in their bra or underwear to show what they have tried on

I’m obviously not most women.

I quite like that.

@WeatherForecast

I assure you he said it. I had asked him if he wanted to come in and wait (knowing fine well he wouldn't) and that was his reply. The fact this thread came up on the same day is a genuine coincidence. Its been six years since I last had a fitting in Bravissimo and we don't usually go clothes shopping together. We're just not that kind of couple.

He wouldn't put himself somewhere he didn't need to be and neither would I. I wouldn't go in to a barbershop with him and take up a seat whilst he had his haircut for example. There's no space for me. I'm not a customer.

The man you thought was looking was probably picturing himself playing a round of golf instead. Anything to ignore the fact he was in a lingerie shop.

You reacting like this won't help your daughter at all though. There will always be the possibility that a man will be sitting there some day. She has to just ignore that, focus on her appointment and know that the chances of her ever seeing him again are zero, so it doesn't matter.

@aspadeaspade

Not entirely sure the OP has been to a Bravissimo store either, TBH. She's avoided answering questions on the store layout.

In my experience (and I've been to several stores), the sofa area is away from the point where a member of staff will greet you and check you in, and even further away from the actual individual cubicles, which are completely out of sight and out of earshot of the waiting area.

OP has said the changing rooms around the corner from the waiting sofa, so you can’t see women in the cubicles but you can hear them.

What more do you need to know?

Yanbu. I also think this is a bit odd.
Pp saying they doubt most men are interested sound pretty naive to me.

It probably isn't neccessary for anybody not waiting to try something on to sit in that specific area.

women would know for sure that if there was a man waiting in earshot that it was because he was a parent/carer and had to be there.

Would this make women feel more comfortable, though? Would this have made a difference to your dd? I suspect not. He's still male.

At my local store, there are only comfy seats 'near' the changing rooms, so sending a man back upstairs is sending him to browse clothing, bras and swimsuits. There's nothing else to do upstairs. Not entirely sure that's going to make anyone feel more comfortable!

A lanyard? Really? Why does EVERYTHING have to be such a big deal these days?!

Yabu. My husband would wait for me. I'd not tell him to wait outside.

In my experience (and I've been to several stores), the sofa area is away from the point where a member of staff will greet you and check you in, and even further away from the actual individual cubicles, which are completely out of sight and out of earshot of the waiting area.

There are intimate conversations that go on in the changing rooms. They are overheard - but only by other women in the changing rooms. No one sat on a sofa can hear the scooping conversation.

If we were talking M&S where chairs are often within actual sight of the cubicles, the OP might have a point.

There really should not be a sitting area outside the underwear section outside the changing area. The sitting area should be somewhere else, but not directly opposite the those changing areas.

I find it uncomfortable when men are sitting outside the female changing area in the underwear section. I just think they should move the seats somewhere else. I mean men can’t entry a female changing room and I don’t think most women will come out in their bra or underwear to show what they have tried on.

In other areas of the shop it’s fine…. I.e if your trying a dress on etc you can show your male companion. So I would agree with OP.

This thread now has me thinking of any men from now on will be like rabbit caught in headlights when they inadvertently find themselves in the middle of the "ladies aisle" and trying to make an escape without being seen a'la Father Ted where all the priests have to make a run for it

You’re the one who said boys deserve privacy when choosing underwear in the pants section at M&S, edwin, presumably so they don’t get leered at.

Was anyone actually leering at OP’s DD in the changing room waiting room? I missed that part of the post. I read that there just happened to be some disinterested partners sat on the sofa entertaining DC.