To not expect neighbour to use washing machine overnight

If it’s relevant we own our house and their house is social housing.

Stopped reading at that. It's never relevant. Including it says all I need to know about you.

I don’t necessarily think that’s it’s them being selfish or being inconsiderate or having no empathy for others. Why do people always jump to that because some people are saying yabu. Unless I had to do it I wouldn’t. My neighbours have 5 kids and they are up and down the stairs, slamming doors and shouting until 1 or 2 in the morning pretty much every night. Neighbours aren’t selfish or lack empathy for me it’s just kids and household noise

OP, you're really not being unreasonable. Someone else said to make a note of what's happening, when, and when you've asked them not to, and what their response was. There's no need to run a washer through the night at all, and if they know it keeps neighbours awake during the night, they are unreasonable to do it.

Assuming this is the only complaint you have. I know in my case as soon as I rectified that issue with the neighbour, she escalated to the most ridiculous things to moan and complain about (like shutting a door at 2pm). We tried to placate her, but eventually just started ignoring her. Think she was a bit mental. I didn't revert back to my night time use of the washer though, cos she really was reasonable on that. People need their sleep.

If it’s relevant we own our house and their house is social housing.

No it’s not relevant - unless owner-occupied washers are quieter - are they ?

Yep @Youdonut. Although I don't think he/she has had an experience of extreme poverty due to the nonsense that they are coming out with. Their ramblings don't really convey any understanding of poverty. It's just hysterical gobbledygook to try (but failing to) back up their points.

I haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if someone has already suggested this. You can buy anti vibration mats/pads to help. Maybe your neighbours would try this, especially if you offered to pay for them.

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YANBU

They will have a condition in their tenancy not to cause a nuisance to their neighbours. This would include noise nuisance.

Ask them again politely. Make a note of date and time you asked them.

Keep a noise diary then complain to the housing association in writing with times and dates of the noise if they keep doing it, and when you asked them not to do it.

Also in your complaint point out the structural alterations that caused the issue and ask the housing association to put the wall back in.

YABU about times. They probably would have to be quiet from 10.30pm or 11pm until 7am.

Or, I should clarify, when I did in my case, as soon as I learnt it disturbed someone, stopped immediately. Before that I couldn't even afford the washing powder, nevermind the electricity to run the washer, at one point. I do remember having to ask a friend for a cup of washing powder though - and not because I'd ran out and simply forgot to buy more.

It interests me how some people use an excuse of being poor to be inconsiderate of others. It's most often far from the case.

My neighbour did this, she was a nurse on nightshifts and that was the only time she could do it. I can't use earplugs so just download a free whitenoise app and used that instead.

Am shocked at the responses too!! You are not being unreasonable

The issue isn't noise because the the neighbours are doing their washing at night; it's that the H.A. or council should have put the wall back up which the previous occupants removed (and charged them for it I guess).

[quote AwaAnBileYerHeid]**@RizzleDrizzle* I have no idea who your "Oh and by the way you are being selfish because just cos you got out of it you think it’s ok to belittle and bully those that haven’t great"* statement was directed towards as you didn't state who. However if it was in reply to me then yes, I got out of poverty. However that still doesn't change the fact that when I was on the bones of my arse, I still didn't think it was acceptable to disturb neighbours at 2am with washing machines etc. Nowhere in my statement have I bullied or belittled poor people and nowhere in my statement have I been "selfish". I've simply countered your ridiculous point about folk not being able to afford to eat if they put the washing machine on when it's a few pence dearer.

You're getting a little hysterical now.[/quote]
I think the poster clearly thinks their experience of poverty is the only one, and therefore their mindset is completely right.

Completely missing the point that when we were in poverty, we still didn't put washes on in the night.

Being poor does not entitle you to be selfish, and is just perpetuating negative attitudes toward people who are in such a position. Utterly silly and over the top responses.

I agree with you, their responses are hysterical (and becoming incoherant the more they post for some reason).

*household appliance

I think choosing to run a washing machine at night is incredibly inconsiderate, but they actually recommend that you do now because it's cheaper. Of course the people doing the recommending probably live in detached properties.

I'm pretty sure you can't do noisy work on a house at night even though that saves electricity too.

In regards to people saying being in a rented house or social housing is relevant because they will have signed the lease which says no household applicable noise after 10pm, I have to disagree....my tenancies have never ever stipulated this. What a ridiculous idea that you should be permitted from using their appliances after a certain time. People work all times of the day and if it meant I had to Hoover or use my washing machine at night then tough. Not a massive disturbance.

@RizzleDrizzle "Your electricity ran out but you didn’t think to put your five pound credit on huh?!?! Excellent well done you what a martyr you are!"

You are astonishingly clueless about poverty, aren't you? Did it ever occur to you that I didn't put £5 on credit, maybe because...erm...I didn't have £5 to put on credit...? As opposed to trying to be "a martyr"? Or wanting a "medel"? - as you call it.

You are coming across as utterly ridiculous.

Op I wouldn’t listen to half the snobby fuck wits on mumsnet. If it continues I would contact the council. Any decent person knows this is unreasonable.

YANBU

I can only assume that most people saying YANU have very quiet washing machines. Ours sounds like a jet engine taking off at various points in the cycle.

Don’t be put off by some of the reactions. Mention it to them nicely. They have already shown themselves to be considerate in that they stopped for a while, and then moved the time. They probably think the problem is sorted. Different people go to bed at different times (we don’t go to bed until 1am, so noise finishing at 11 would seem reasonable unless someone pointed it out).

If it were me I’d pop round to their door with some nice chocolates and a bottle of wine. Say how much you appreciate their having changed their routine, and you hate to be a pest but would it be possible ...

@RizzleDrizzle I have no idea who your "Oh and by the way you are being selfish because just cos you got out of it you think it’s ok to belittle and bully those that haven’t great" statement was directed towards as you didn't state who. However if it was in reply to me then yes, I got out of poverty. However that still doesn't change the fact that when I was on the bones of my arse, I still didn't think it was acceptable to disturb neighbours at 2am with washing machines etc. Nowhere in my statement have I bullied or belittled poor people and nowhere in my statement have I been "selfish". I've simply countered your ridiculous point about folk not being able to afford to eat if they put the washing machine on when it's a few pence dearer.

You're getting a little hysterical now.

poor that they can't afford to eat if they do a wash during the day then washing would be done by hand in the sink - as I've had to do when my meter ran out of electric before. Your statement is just whataboutery.

Ah you know what I think your outstandingly oblivious for some one who claims to have been there!

You’ve washed your clothes in stone cold water?! Excellent well done you do you want like a medel?!?!

Not sure how clean the clothes are going to get! Especially at the moment when some people are insisting their children and themselves strip off and their outdoor clothes go in to the washing machine ASAP! (It’s covid don’t you know) unless of course your washing them in 70% alcohol.

But I don’t even run a bath after about 10 or before 6/7 because yeah the sound of running water the sound of the pump from the boiler is loud and I live in flats so that’s my personal choice one my neighbours are equally entitled to have.

My neighbour works 12 hour shifts, (yeeeep HA) when’s he meant to do his washing?!?!

Your electricity ran out but you didn’t think to put your five pound credit on huh?!?! Excellent well done you what a martyr you are!

Interesting isn’t it how two of you have both responded going I was there. Yet now your not there it’s a case of I’m alright jack screw everyone else!

I’m with you Op. Common courtesy should be enough . Second, using tumble dryer in night is potential fire hazard. Third, a drying rack would be even cheaper

No ta. I'm not selfish and think I'm more important than my neighbours, and neither did I when I was poor. And I'm hardly rich, I can afford to live, with some struggle, like most of the rest of us, now. There difference is stark though yes, between that and not eating a fucking bean for 6 days in a go.

I'll let you into a little secret about being in poverty. When you're so poor you've no food and no way to buy it, and you're counting 2ps and 1ps for a can of beans (and asking the shop if you can pay the few pence missing next time) then washing clothes unfortunately is not the priority, or even a concern, when you're starving and first thoughts are food.

Your argument is completely flawed.

The fact is a lot of people will put a wash on during the night to save money, poor and non-poor. Being in a council house doesn't automatically mean you are poor. Unless the neighbours have said they can't afford to put it on during the day, this is all a nice big mental story of the OP being selfish because maybe her neighbours are poor..

@Cokie3 I like to listen to music at a volume which would be fine during the day but unacceptable at night. I'm a nurse, so I work unsociable hours. Does this mean that on my nights off - when I'm still awake due to my sleeping pattern, it would be ok for me to have my music on, washing machine on and hoover away at 3am above my downstairs neighbour in the flat below? Just because these are my hours? Of course not. I get paid an enhancement for working unsociable hours, because that's exactly what they are, unsociable hours. I get compensated for this. Because we as a society recognise what are and aren't unsociable hours.