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To have smacked my child

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Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 00:22

I've name changed for this because I'm ashamed of myself and will make no excuses for my behaviour. I suppose I'm looking for somebody to tell me I'm not the terrible person I believe I am but am prepared to be told otherwise.

On Saturday I smacked my three year old on the arm, it didn't leave a mark but it was hard enough that it made him cry and shocked him.

I have always been very "anti smacking" yet lost control of myself in the heat of the moment.

The reason it happened (but not an excuse) is because he was lashing out and bit his one year old sibling on the arm hard enough to leave deep teeth marks which are still visible today. I was exhausted and frustrated and lost control.

He has forgotten all about it but the guilt is eating me up.

I want to go and get him out of bed and bring him in with me just so I can hold him, love him and make amends for what I've done. (I won't because he's sleeping, but the urge is strong)

I haven't told DH because I'm a hypocrite, when discussing discipline pre children I made a blanket rule that we would never use physical punishment. DH thinks there is nothing wrong with a tap on the hand whereas I disagreed so made him promise never to do that.

Am I the scum of the earth or is this something you've done too in the heat of the moment?

I hate myself.

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BertieBotts · 09/08/2024 23:33

Zombie thread resurrected by a weird fantasist.

K37529 · 09/08/2024 23:31

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 00:59

We are trying hard to stop the biting, he starts nursery soon and I'm worried sick he's going to do it to another child there aswell as our baby.

The method I'm using (which isn't working) is to get down to his level, take his hands and firmly tell him "no!"

I then take him away from the situation and explain that biting is naughty and he mustn't do that. I then restrict things like his tablet, toy or having cartoons on the tv.

He's going through a period of worsening tantrums at the minute which I attribute to all of the changes going on.

I'm an absolute hypocrite because being punished in that way can only enforce his belief that it's ok to hurt somebody when you're angry.

I could bet my life that it will never happen again, the guilt is beyond anything I've ever felt. I love the bones of him dearly and this is not my parenting style at all.

When my kids are violent to one another I tell them “we don’t hit/bite whatever” then I pick up the child that’s hurt and give them cuddles, turning my back to the one that did it and basically ignore them. I find the more attention you give them, even if it is negative attention, the more they will do the thing you don’t want them to do. I think it works pretty well, I have 3 kids 1,3 and 5, none of them are violent, the odd time they hit one another but not very often. The 3 year old does have a bad temper though, but I can usually see it brewing and redirect him before he explodes, 3 is a tough age I feel your pain.

SaltAndVinegar2 · 09/08/2024 23:28

This sounds very difficult. I wouldn't beat yourself up about a one off smack. Instead think about how to get in control of the situation. Your younger child needs to be protected from being bitten. It's not acceptable to allow it to continue. Physical separation is going to be necessary unless you are fully focussed on the children. Get a playpen or a stair gate. This is what the health visitor told me when my younger child was biting my older one (similar ages to yours only the other way round!). It will also mean your younger one isn't inadvertently provoking the older one by interfering with his activities.
Shouting no and removing toys etc are punishments and not really suitable for a 3 year old especially one that's delayed. You don't want to punish him, you want to prevent it and avoid him getting the negative attention. Keep the emotion out of it and calmly separate them.
3 is way too young for a tablet. I would get rid of that and limit TV time to an hour or maximum two a day. This will help with behaviour in the long run even if it's difficult in the moment.

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Dragongirl10 · 25/05/2020 13:04

ZINGALLY....(grin) that made me howl!

zingally · 25/05/2020 12:59

OP, we've all been there. Don't worry about it.

I smacked one of my twins (3 and a half) for the first time about 2 months ago, who was having a paddy because her drink "was in the wrong colour cup", and then she threw it all over the floor... I was cross and smacked her leg. And you know what? I can't say I felt bad about it. Little toad. ;)

Dragongirl10 · 25/05/2020 12:58

Op I agree with others here you are not a bad parent at all, it is a difficult situation.

I was a child in the 70s and my mum smacked us occasionally, rarely, and always for extreme situations (on the bum and not hard) where we were likely to hurt ourselves or each other after being told multiple times...

My mum is the most gentle kind loving person and l hold no grudges, each time we utterly needed a shock to stop us. So know that for your son there is no issue and you really don't have anything to make up for. Let that guilt go for good.

My Ds went through a biting stage, once he bit me so hard on the shoulder as l was carrying him down the stairs, l dropped him in shock! ( the welt lasted 3 weeks)
He landed with a thud on his bottom and just looked at me in shock.

Needless to say l felt terrible...but he never bit again..it was my cry of pain and the smack as he landed that stopped him.

There is a world of difference between a nasty violent parent, which you are clearly not and a responsible parent who reacts in the moment.

BTW if l saw my eldest DD bite my younger DS l would probably have done the same.

zscaler · 25/05/2020 12:46

The fact that you feel so bad about it shows you know it was wrong to do. That’s the important part.

There are lots of resources online and in books on how to manage feelings of anger / loss of control. I would start with the NSPCC website. When you have positive coping strategies available, you will have better options available to you next time.

Xenia · 25/05/2020 12:29

Just spotted this new Welsh legislation by the way . I am not sure it has received enough publicity - may be Mumsnet can help

www.legislation.gov.uk/anaw/2020/3/contents

The Act abolishes the defence of reasonable punishment in relation to corporal punishment of a child taking place in Wales; and makes provision in connection with the defence’s abolition.

Happyspud · 04/05/2020 14:04

You’re fine. People love to make out that it’s black and white but it’s simply not. I got the odd whack on the arse for bad behaviour and can honestly say I had the most loving, safe and supportive parents. They were and are excellent. It wasn’t abuse, it was me pushing my mum over the line and let me tell you I both remember the few incidents and understood well that I was the dick in the situation. If your kid is loved and treated respectfully on a day to day basis, them pushing you to lose it very occasionally is nothing to give much weight to. (But equally giving it no weight is a bad sign!!!).

Laserbird16 · 04/05/2020 13:49

You are human and so is your son, we don't get it right all the time.

Parenting can be exhausting and sometimes there is no respite. Almost three year olds are relentless and very much lacking in impulse control. Add in a small baby and sometimes it just gets a bit crazy. It can be really hard seeing your older child hurt their younger siblings and no doubt you've told them many many times to be gentle etc. You still love him, he just made a mistake and so did you. Show yourself some compassion.

Every poster piling with how awful you are...well slow clap for them. That's great they're perfect, they sound insufferable.

BlueSuffragette · 04/05/2020 13:44

Hello OP, you reacted out of instinct to protect the baby. Don't be too hard on yourself. There is a series of books for preschool children that you might find useful. They were out in the early 2000's, about 2003/4, but you can probably still get one on ebay, Abebooks etc. They are hard board books with titles such as Hands are Not for Hitting, Teeth are Not fot Biting, Feet are Not for Kicking. You could read them to DS and talk about them and how doing the action hurts other people. Good luck. Flowers

HeckyPeck · 04/05/2020 13:18

Do you hit your husband "in the heat of the moment"?

Damn fucking right I would if he bit a baby!

OP I really don’t think what you did is that bad.

If he bites other kids they’re likely to give him a smack too 🤷🏻‍♀️

You apologised and your son has moved on. You need to too.

He won’t even remember this.

81Byerley · 04/05/2020 13:11

@SunShine682 if you are a parent it must be galling for your friends to have someone so perfect in their midst.

Coffeecak3 · 27/04/2020 23:57

@Summerofloaf I was in a cafe in France and two young boys were winding each other up. Their mum suddenly sharply pulled each boys hair once. The youngest cried but they both behaved and the mum carried on talking to her friend. She certainly wasn't remorseful in the least.

NotMyUsualNameNoSiree · 27/04/2020 23:39

I've smacked my daughter once too, she bit me, hard (actual pain) and instinctively I smacked her arm. She was shocked, I was shocked, I said "Sorry" I tried to apologise and explain without making excuses (which is hard to do).

I haven't since, I've been really frustrated (and hurt in various ways, usually through carelessness more than viciousness) by her many times since, I've never done it again.

This isn't the beginning of a life-long child-whacking habit, it's a one off because you didn't have the resources to deal with a situation, and you had to make that situation stop.

Don't feel bad, work out other ways to cope when it's all getting too lairy. My preferred option is talking to my daughter like there's a judgemental parenting psychologist in the room with us, to defuse my fury:

"NO, we don't hit people we love, I need you to stop and think about what you're doing". Things like that.

Summerofloaf · 27/04/2020 23:31

Ideally no smacking but otoh if you watch how puppies or kittens play, if they are too rough they get a nip from a sibling or parent dog/ cat. That’s how they learn what it feels like when they do it to someone else. So there is part of me that is thinking your DS has learned what it feels like when he inflicts a bite and why he shouldn’t do it. Not saying that’s right but it’s interesting to think of it in those terms. Obviously don’t do it again. He probably won’t either.

TrainspottingWelsh · 27/04/2020 22:42

It's not acceptable and there's no excuse, but at the same time every parent fucks up in some way. For something on this scale it's only a problem if it's repeated or when the parent tries to excuse it, and I don't get the impression that's the case here.

I was smacked as a young child both as punishment and sometimes just to vent at something that wasn't at all my fault. And it's not something I can justify as being from an otherwise loving parent. But after the initial shock, the only times I really remember and resent were the times it wasn't deserved, and once when the parent tried to justify it afterwards. So I'd say there's little chance he'll even remember it, and none that he'll be damaged by it.

PeanutDouglas · 27/04/2020 22:24

@SunShine682 run out of booze have you?

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 22:16

I'm assuming you're a either a troll or not a parent.

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SunShine682 · 27/04/2020 22:11

Just seen the bite mark on your poor daughters arm. You need to actually look after her properly if you know your son is a biting her constantly instead of smacking him because you weren’t watching properly.

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 22:01

Thank you Bertie, for such a helpful and comprehensive post.

I'm yet to read a parenting book, I have been winging it for the past three years and thought I was doing pretty well until this weekend.

I've decided I will be looking into those resources though and I'll start with the Janet Lansbury podcasts.

I'm also interested in reading The Explosive Child, because that describes my DS to a tee. He is extremely explosive.

We believe the primary reason for him being this way is frustration because he isn't able to communicate his needs or how he's feeling. He's very delayed verbally.

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BertieBotts · 27/04/2020 21:49

Damnit my bold didn't work - well the TL;DR summary: Buy the book No Drama Discipline on kindle and read it in little pieces while you feed the baby.

Also I am glad you are trying the sensory redirection idea, I think you might find it really helps :)

BertieBotts · 27/04/2020 21:44

Daween, I would rather children are neither hit OR screamed at for "being too slow", Christ's sake. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Hopefully though what you saw was a snapshot of a parent having a really bad day and not what their lives are like all the time, anyway.

OP everyone makes mistakes, and I agree it sounds like an instinctive reaction. It sounds to me like you dealt with it well in the moment and I agree that it needs to be drawn a line under now, don't go overboard trying to "make it up to him". You did, you apologised, it's OK.

When there are potential development issues, it can help to use a different way of parenting. The typical reward/punishment models do not work when a child is behaving badly not out of choice but because they are lacking some kind of skill relating to their behaviour - for lashing out, it is likely to be the skill of impulse control and/or a tendency to find certain things more unbearable than most people would.

However the other two models often offered as an alternative often fall short as well: Positive parenting (where you reward/praise/encourage the good and ignore the bad) is not enough when you need to protect e.g. a younger sibling, a pet etc. Gentle parenting (where you see behaviour as communication, and generally avoid coercion/hierachical methods in favour of co-operative methods) can often be overly focused on avoiding conflict and lacks good guidance on how to impart boundaries in a situation where the child and/or parent struggles with this. But for me, the huge issue with both methods is that there is a gaping hole where there should be guidance for parents on what to do when you find your own frustration or anger raring up - there is much criticism in the methods for the kinds of things parents resort to when at the end of their tether - shouting and screaming, smacking or other physical roughness, threatening, criticising. And I'm not saying those things aren't bad, because they are. But it means when you're trying very hard to be the perfect positive/gentle parent, those moments when you lose it become this massive taboo that you can't admit to other people, and the result? You never get the chance to learn any skills to manage them.

Reward/punishment works very well when a child is making a simple choice that benefits them, because the reward/punishment serves to re-balance the current situation so that the action they want to do which is destructive (or annoying or mean or whatever) is no longer rewarding for them and they will then make a different choice. When a child continues to behave badly even when there is a clear system of reward and punishment in place, it can mean that either the balance is not right - OR - that the child is not making a choice in that way, that they are unable to act in the way you are expecting them to. When this is the case, it would be like punishing a child who needs glasses because they seem to be refusing to learn how to read. You aren't going to make them able to read by punishing them. The only thing that will help is to correct that deficiency in their vision. It's the same for developmental skills, although unlike vision these can generally be acquired through age and/or teaching.

The sort of "third alternative" then, is a model which is based on clear boundaries but recognises that children's difficult behaviours are not always a conscious choice on their end, supports parents, recognising that these are really challenging things to deal with, and helps children by supporting development of the skills they are lacking until they are able to manage them for themselves. Sounds like some kind of holy grail. I haven't managed to find any one "method" or buzzword for it but for me the methods/authors which fit to this kind of thinking and more importantly seem to work are:

RIE as a parenting method - I follow Janet Lansbury's podcasts on this topic which are free and easily accessible. She also has a book, but I didn't love the book. The podcasts and her articles are better.

The Whole Brain Child/No Drama Discipline - have not actually read this yet, but based on what I've read/seen in terms of reviews, snippets and interviews with the authors, it sounds like a fantastic distilment of everything. In fact I've bolded it because if you have a newborn, you probably don't have time to read lots of things - start here. You can get it on kindle and read during feeds if you have the energy. This is next on my list to read, but I need to decide which one and I try not to keep spending money on books before I have time to read them, so it's waiting for that as well!

The Explosive Child/Dr. Ross Greene - he has a newer book out as well, which sounds even better/more up to date but I don't know anyone who has read it. Also on my list to read.

ABC technique - this stands for Antecedent, Behaviour, Consequence. It's about looking at what triggers your child's behaviour and how you can help them manage it. Consequence does not always involve punishment, although it might. When it does, it's about creating that balance I mentioned earlier, which means that you have to be aware of the child's skill defecits which may be causing them to act a certain way and take these into account, because it is not fair to set a child up to repeatedly fail and suffer a punishment that they are unable to avoid. That is what makes it different from a standard behaviour > consequence approach. It's the A which is important.

BTW, if you do or like the principles behind positive parenting or gentle parenting, these kinds of techniques are very compatible, so I'm not saying that positive parenting or gentle parenting is wrong - there are many many excellent points made by proponents of both discipline styles. I just feel due to personal experience, the above offer a more rounded approach, which works better for children who may not be neurotypical. :) (And also those who probably are neurotypical... but particularly the kinds of children who struggle when faced with "typical" parenting techniques will benefit, I think.)

Temporarilyc · 27/04/2020 20:54

Thank you for letting me know I'm not alone in having had a momentary lapse of judgrment, I spent yesterday feeling like a child abuser.

I have ordered DS some chew specific toys this evening. I'm fairly sure that it is sensory related, at least in part.

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