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ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 13:17

When my ex and I split, he agreed he would fully support our son and pay for any childcare costs incurred when I returned to work after maternity leave. He is a high earner, whereas I’m not as high - he earns double my wage. I also have 2 other children from a previous marriage so I get no Government support for DS (other than CHB) as he’s my 3rd child, born after 06.04.17. I have to claim UC for my 2 eldest children and also claim childcare costs for them. Their father takes nothing to do with them and does not pay any child support. I haven’t seen or heard from him in 3 years.

I did everything with regards to sorting out childcare for DS as EX couldn’t be bothered, and DS started his nursery just over a month ago. I also had to reduce my working hours to 30 per week as the nursery couldn’t accommodate DS full time and EX wasn’t willing to provide any childcare during the week, so I am losing around £4000 pa from my salary.

The first invoice from the nursery came in last week so I informed him that the fees are to be paid. He’s now saying he’s not paying. I tried to compromise and said I’d pay half and suggested we split DS care 50/50, meaning he would be responsible for DS 2.5 week days and 1 weekend day. I’d do the same. He’s still refusing.

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ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 17:35

@curlsnotfrizz

Yes UC only pay for 2 children on the claim and childcare element of £1100 for up to 2 children. My ccc’s are almost maxed because of the afterschool care I need to put DD’s into. £200 a week they cost. I’d be better off unemployed and renting. But because I work and have a mortgage I’m totally penalised. I work with UC and I absolutely hate it.

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curlsnotfrizz · 02/03/2020 17:29

I knew you could not get UC for a third child but not even the childcare element? how are people supposed to make a living esp lone parents? nothing happens to the dad but the mum is picking the tab up again.

Iamclearlyamug · 02/03/2020 17:06

If he does earn 35k he's still paying too little. My ex-h is on 35k and based on having DD 2 nights a week he still has to pay me 300 per month based on CMS rates

HugeAckmansWife · 02/03/2020 16:39

Thing is, even if he pays the £298, that's still less than half the childcare and the child needs a roof, food and clothes too. As pp have said, way too many nrps get to look like superheroes for having their kids 4 days a month, only on weekends and get to progress at work or at least not have struggle and juggle work and childcare. My ex is a distance away (his choice) and his parents think he's so put upon travelling eow. He hasn't done a school run in 5 years, or a sick day, concert, World book day costume, money for this and that collection, hobbies, parties.... The system is v v broken in this country.

BrimfulofSasha · 02/03/2020 15:53

putting the figures in the online calculator and assuming he has no other children (of his) living with him, He should be paying £298 a month...as others have said.

In my experience it's best to get CMS involved so there is a record even if you come to an agreement amicably. That way if he doesn't pay there is some recourse.

Good luck.

YerAWizardHarry · 02/03/2020 15:00

You can claim for his childcare through UC if your current costs are below the maximum (around 1,100 a month I'm sure)

ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 14:52

I’m going to contact the CMS later when I finish work to query this. I’m wondering if they’ve maybe made a mistake with the amount of nights and that’s why they’ve calculated so low.

I’m in Scotland so yes, DS will get the free childcare but he’s only 10 months old just now so I’ve a while to wait for that unfortunately.

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curlsnotfrizz · 02/03/2020 14:52

www.gov.uk/calculate-child-maintenance

put the figures in there, OP

MarieQueenofScots · 02/03/2020 14:49

What a Prince.

I’m sorry OP

QforCucumber · 02/03/2020 14:49

I've just done the online CMS calculator and input the earnings you said, definitely coming out at £298 a month is he has him 1 or 2 nights a week. Still wont fully cover the childcare fees but will go a good way towards them. As you're a single parent does your youngest get the 15 hours free when they turn 2?

Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/03/2020 14:47

My ex earns £50k. He pays me £500pm maintenance PLUS half of childcare costs - although my DS is school age so it's only a small amount in the holidays when no family can help out. He also gives me extra at Christmas and DS's birthday, pays half for a birthday party for DS and gives me extra when it's new school uniform time.

None of this through CMS, he does this voluntarily.

I'm always gobsmacked at how little some NRPs want to contribute. Contact CMS and get what your child deserves.

Booboostwo · 02/03/2020 14:42

I don't have any practical advice for you, sorry, but wanted to say that your Ex is a massive arsehole for deducting his petrol costs when he comes to pick up your DS.

Amber2019 · 02/03/2020 14:35

Sorry, just read you have to claim childcare for your older two, so that would be over the 1100 (around) limit.

Amber2019 · 02/03/2020 14:34

Yeah if you are claiming the Max childcare of I think it is around 1100 per month then you cant but if you arent you can definitely claim childcare for your third.

ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 14:31

Amber. Unfortunately you can’t if you’re already claiming it for the other 2 children. I work with UC so I know the rules.

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Amber2019 · 02/03/2020 14:30

You can claim 85% of childcare fees back for your third child on uc. Just cant gey the child element. Unless you are claiming the max childcare fees for your other kids. Not that that excuses him from supporting his child but as you know, you cant always rely on them

AngelsSins · 02/03/2020 14:25

It’s disgusting that the government don’t make absent fathers pay for anything towards childcare or even the true cost of raising a child most the time. Hell with 4 billion owed in unpaid child support, they’re not even being forced to pay the basics half the time. It makes me furious, something has to change.

Rootd · 02/03/2020 14:20

You can't force him to have his DC during the week or pay the nursery fees. You need to claim through CMS and budget based off that. He can't be deducting petrol either!

Booberella9 · 02/03/2020 14:18

YABU to take his word for it!

Go the legal route end of.

itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 02/03/2020 14:17

50/50 or he needs to pay more !Why should all the negatives be left to you !

It's not that I don't agree. But she can not enforce this. She doesn't have the power.

WeekendW0rk2020 · 02/03/2020 14:14

Were you/ are you still married to ex number 2

Go through CMS
50/50 or he needs to pay more !

Why should all the negatives be left to you !

itsallthedramaMickiloveit · 02/03/2020 14:11

I just played with the Calculator as I'm under a baby and nothing better to do.

This is what it said.

Your child maintenance
calculation is
£69.02 a week or £298.89 a month

ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 14:07

Friday and Saturday. He won’t take him during the week because his work is too important.

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Phillipa12 · 02/03/2020 14:06

Which 2 nights a week is he having ds?

ABC123whatever · 02/03/2020 14:05

@Bibidy

35k is a high earner to me. My salary is 17k pa. I’m not asking him to pay all the fees, I’ve asked him to pay half.

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