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To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

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Hihothedairyo · 05/02/2020 11:40

Now here me out first, I do not mean married men who use prostitutes without the knowledge/consent of their wives/partners. Those are scum, I have been cheated on in that way before so believe me when I say I do not agree with that.

However, I've seen and heard a lot of people (including friends of mine) who believe that men in general who use prostitutes are scum.

Personally, I think that, provided you are sure the person you are having sex with is not being trafficked, then you are really just two consenting adults having sex. Yes there is money exchanged, but nobody is forcing the sex worker to do this job (in this scenario, I know that DOES happen).

Should a person who's say, 30 years old and still a virgin, and now feels their too old and too inexperienced to go out and find a woman to have sex with them, not be able to use a service that a woman is willingly providing? What about someone with some form of disability that wants sex but doesn't have the confidence or whatever to get it normally?

I've got a good friend who lost his virginity to a prostitute, and has visited them a few other times also. He's in a happy relationship now and does not use them and never has while in any relationship. I don't feel that him having used them was wrong, but he is not open about having used them at all and I'm pretty sure his partner doesn't know that he ever has.

I just feel there is far too much judgement and hate towards people who are, in reality, just doing something that has been done since time began. And I see no wrong in it, I imagine I'm in the minority here though.

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SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:17

Sorry, the male Doms who see female Subs. Think they are prostitutes with no power? Ha!

Barracker · 05/02/2020 22:16

Your OP has 6 references to "use" or "used" that relate to a man penetrating a woman's body with his penis.

I think that pretty much sums it up.
Bodily consent is not buyable.
It is either freely given, or it does not exist.
Handing over money to coerce a woman to be penetrated is buying the right to rape a woman without being prosecuted for the crime.
If she wouldn't freely have sex with you then it isn't sex. It's rape with hush money.

I don't think the right to enter another person's body for sexual gratification is ever a "service" people (men) should be able to buy.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:16

Being a prostitute Domme is just doing whatever a man pays you to do. Just pretending. Still exploitation and men paying women to behave how they want them to. The Domme has no power

The fact you call Dommes prostitutes says everything. Think that about thr male ones too do you? Hmm

Russellbrandshair · 05/02/2020 22:16

YET they held no interest for me so why would I

So instead you worked for the NHS where you said you felt exploited, underpaid, worked long hours and had arsehole patients? Gotcha. Sounds like a good career choice then.

Foxesinsockses · 05/02/2020 22:15

I was a sex worker.

I have to say that I do not and did not have mental health problems, a hideously abusive childhood, addiction issues or significant trauma. Nor did I have an abusive or coercive partner (was single at the time) and although a bit skint as a 20 year old student, it was a long way from being my only option.

Mainly it was fine - and mainly it actually was slightly sad or socially dysfunctional men who might have difficulties in 'normal' relationships. Most of the women I worked with were perfectly normal women from a variety of ages and backgrounds who had the one thing in common, that they were able to dissociate performing a role which involved sex, from their daily life without too much emotional impact.

I had the benefit of working in a fairly safe, supervised environment though; and when I wanted to walk away I did, with no pressure whatsoever.

So the stereotype of abused, addicted trafficked woman does not always fit. There are instances where this is a freely made choice. That may be rarer in general and today than it was in that particular time and place though.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:14

Apologies for the derail. I shall STFU about domination as it's a totally different dynamic to prositituon, thinking about it Blush

MostTacticalNameChange · 05/02/2020 22:14

Being a prostitute Domme is just doing whatever a man pays you to do. Just pretending. Still exploitation and men paying women to behave how they want them to. The Domme has no power

HoppingPavlova · 05/02/2020 22:13

So I ask again- why didn’t you become a Dom after talking to her if it’s no more exploitative than working for the NHS? You could have done it too, yet you didn’t. Why is that?

For exactly the same reason I didn’t become a lawyer or banker or astronaut or train driver or vet or check out person. Probably could have been any of those as well (well maybe not astronaut as doubt I would have passed the training for that but pretty confident about the others), YET they held no interest for me so why would I? Similarly, being a dominatrix held no interest for me, so why would I have done that? The whole point was that the set-up the person I knew had was no more exploitative than the job I worked in or the jobs many other professionals worked in, especially when we were starting out. How you have translated this to we should have all been dominatrixes instead then baffles me? Yes, I’m sure most of us, in hindsight think maybe a different career may have been a better choice given what we have experienced along the way but that would be something that interested us (or in a lot of cases that parents didn’t shoehorn/force us into out of school) - not a dominatrix by defaultConfused.

gypsywater · 05/02/2020 22:11

@SmileEachDay THIS.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:10

Apologies, @Pumperthepumper, I didn't realise that you had done it yourself and knew lots of Dommes. I shall defer to your experience.

SmileEachDay · 05/02/2020 22:10

These threads make my brain explode.

The cognitive dissonance that happens is just...remarkable.

In order to swallow the “happy hooker” line, you have to be prepared to ignore the women who are being abused and raped on an hourly basis.

In order to say prostitution is a “job like any other” you have to accept that our bodies are nothing more than a tin of beans.

In order to accept the “it’s fine as long as there is consent” you have to ignore the trafficking, drug running, weapons trade and absolute degradation that is a whisker away from all prostitution.

And that’s before we even begin to address the fact that the prostituted are overwhelmingly women and girls and the people paying to rape them are men.

gypsywater · 05/02/2020 22:10

These men need serious therapy. Proper deviants.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:07

*wasn't not want

Apologies for the derail, OP

And whoever said the idea of being powerless as a schoolgirl is misogynistic - I totally agree with you. It is also true though. They are very vulnerable. And it's the vulnerability which appeals to these men.

Pumperthepumper · 05/02/2020 22:04

SirChing I can assure you: it isn’t. Future career for your daughter then? No risk, loads of cash?

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:04

@Pumperthepumper No, I said I wouldn't have sex with someone for pay. I haven't Dommed anyone for pay so far, but if I want disabled and didn't have a young daughter at home, then I absolutely would.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 05/02/2020 22:04

Domination is a particularly soul destroying activity because it’s an absolute reverse of what it pretends to be.

The Domme has absolutely no power in real terms, she’s at the mercy of her submissive’s whims, wants and ability to pay.
After the session is over he goes back to real power (the kind of job that allows you to blow £300 on a posh wank) and she’s left wiping the semen off the dungeon floor with a vileda super mop.
That’s not power. It’s a theatrical pretend-power game.

He can do this as long as he has money, she’ll inevitably lose her appeal as she ages or when his eye is turned by new merchandise to buy.

Plus, the whole ‘he doesn’t get to touch you’ is just as much a myth as any of the other bullshit you hear about so called ‘high class’ prostitution. Submissives request stuff like you pissing and shitting on them and then ‘ordering’ them to use their tongue as your toilet paper 😂

There is something particularly unlikeable about the subby men, probably something to do with the dishonesty of the whole nasty charade. Urgh.

Ain’t no one buying a property profile through cash in hand work either, no matter how
much it pays per hour. Conveyancing solicitors have to report signs of illegal activity or suspected money laundering. You can’t buy property with cash in a suitcase.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:03

@Pumperthepumper Ha at the "you're wrong but I am not telling you how" Grin

All.Dommes have things that they won't do. They refer clients to each other if they can't meet their needs. I can assure you that there are enough men out there wanting Domme services that it's very lucrative regardless of the boundaries of the Domme.

VestaTilley · 05/02/2020 22:02

YABVU OP. Most prostitutes were abused as children. Sex paid for with money is not true consent. Prostitution is inherently exploitative of women and puts a price on women's bodies- the poorest women in our society. You are wrong in your view.

gypsywater · 05/02/2020 22:02

Men wearing school girl outfits to give up control. Wowsers. What a misogynistic world we live in. Dont even get me started on the pervs that dress up in diapers and baby grows for sexual pleasure.

Pumperthepumper · 05/02/2020 22:01

You also said earlier you wouldn’t do it for pay.

Thelnebriati · 05/02/2020 22:01

HoppingPavlova OK I've read your posts, did you read the links I posted upthread?

Russellbrandshair · 05/02/2020 22:01

You guys should totally become professional Dom’s then! Why wouldn’t you? It’s easy money after all - go for it!

SirChing · 05/02/2020 22:00

@HoppingPavlova You are 100% correct. Totally agree with you. I am also ex NHS and utterly agree with the parallels that you draw, too.

Pumperthepumper · 05/02/2020 22:00

SirChing so much of that is wrong, I can’t even be bothered going through it. I’d say though - with an attitude of ‘if they don’t like my boundaries they can go elsewhere’, you’ll never get that property portfolio and retire at 40 like Pavlova’s friend.

SirChing · 05/02/2020 21:59

I find Domming to be great fun, but have only ever done it for free in a relationship. I absolutely would do it for pay though.

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