To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

Sex isn’t just penetration with a penis though, otherwise lesbians would be virgins!

Which is why you don't get many female lesbians using prostitiutes.

Does a woman touch a man's penis with the intent of making him orgasm through her direct action? If yes, she is a prostitute. If no, she isn't.

Dommes may touch a man's penis to insert something in it or whatever, but she isn't wanking him off, giving oral, or allowing his cock inside any of her orifices. Therefore not prostitution.

I can see that some people may have blurred boundaries, perhaps from past experience, but I honestly don't know any Dommes who would dream of directly using their own bodily orifice or hand to make a man cum.

We get it; you think that buying the use of a woman's body is not a big deal.
Is it ok to buy a kidney?

@DuLANGMondeFOREVER

You would be just as accurate calling strippers and pole dancers prostitutes. That SOME sell sex on the side doesn't make selling sex an integral part of the job

Likewise for Dommes. All the ones I know would be furious to be equated to prostitutes as they will not allow their client's penis access to their body. At all. Ever.

Sex isn’t just penetration with a penis though, otherwise lesbians would be virgins!

As someone who has done both, I think penetration/no penetration is a very arbitrary line to draw, and one that the law wouldn’t recognise, hence the non specific term ‘sex act’.

Not so different, and very often the exact same woman in a different outfit Apart from the not having sex aspect? Sure - identical

If some Dommes are also prostitutes that's up to them. None of the many that I know are. Because they don't have sex with the clients. It certainly isn't usual to do so AT ALL.

It does piss me off that the two are conflated as one involves letting a client enter their body with their penis, and one doesn't.

Havent read the whole thread so please excuse me

It’s your post that needs excusing, not your lack of reading.

@MostTacticalNameChange Which is precisely why I said I would STFU about it as It's derailimg. Until some one else commented on it

I think you will find that as you were the one saying that providing a sexual service for money = prostitution, it's you who have made false equivalence. Me highlighting their absurdity doesn't mean I view those activities in the same way.

Ann Summers workers, sex line workers, ooh and strippers, page 3 girls etc. Are they prostitutes? Nope!

I’ve more or less done all these, except it was a posh, independent sex shop aimed at women. Never done page 3 though. Thank fuck for that! Much harder to leave it all behind you when there are photos/video evidence.

No, these aren’t all the same as prostitution. The shop and the phone line were ordinary PAYE jobs. The stripping led to prostitution. Most strip clubs are fronts for organised crime, sadly. Domme-ing is far more like prostitution than the other activities, it often involves sex acts, handling another person’s genitals, bodily fluids etc. Both are cash in hand (well, I had cheques as tips a couple of times, but you’d be stupid to accept anything that can be stopped/charged back later as actual pay. One cheque was for 10,000 US dollars. I was amazed when it cleared).

This is why I hate the term ‘sex worker’ because it really does lump it all in together. A phone sex operator in a call centre is very different to being a prostitute. A prostitute and a domme though? Not so different, and very often the exact same woman in a different outfit.

Havent read the whole thread so please excuse me .
What about women who vist male prostitutes ?
Men who vist male prostitutes? Or tv/ts prostitutes?
Are they classed as bad as men visiting females ?
Also get tired of hearing about the young females who advertise on suger baby /suger daddy sites but claim their not prostitutes..yes love you are .

And selling a vibrator is not selling sexual services...ffs. What angle are you coming from? Any one who enjoys orgasms must support prostitution? I don't understand

To suggest (not that you personally have, I mean in general) that ALL sex workers fit a particular set of predisposing circumstances is, however, at least in my experience, wrong

Does that make it ok though? How many “Marthas” is acceptable?

SirChing if you don't consider what your friend did as prostitution, why the fuck are you posting on this thread? By your admission, being a Dominatrix is not prostitution so your stories of your successful mate have NOTHING to do with this thread?

Sorry, the male Doms who see female Subs Think they are prostitutes with no power? Ha!

The number of women who pay for sexual encounters, whether vanilla or kink, is minuscule compared to men. Always has been, always will be.

There is a reason we call them ‘Johns’ and not ‘Janes’.

No, I am not equating the two. You were the one who said providing any sexual service for pay is prostitution. Working in a sex shop and providing what customers want is providing a service relating to sex, for pay. So by your own argument, you are equating the two. Not me!

Prostitution is the selling of sex for cash. If you aren't selling the physical.act of.sex then it isn't prostitution. You can think it's a terrible job, degrading, whatever, that's entirely up to you. But it isn't accurate to say being a Dominatrix is prostitution.

I.merely used your logic.of "providing a sexual service for pay" to demonstrate that that would include Ann Summers workers, sex line workers, ooh and strippers, page 3 girls etc. Are they prostitutes? Nope!

Smile Each Day I know . . . and yes, I met 'Marthas' who were in the industry at the same time in less reputable establishments - then even further down the chain were the street girls . . . I'm not denying that exploitation of desperate women exists. I tried not to give a view other than recount my own experience. To suggest (not that you personally have, I mean in general) that ALL sex workers fit a particular set of predisposing circumstances is, however, at least in my experience, wrong.

These disingenuous posters

SirChing are you seriously saying face pissing, blood splatter, the insertion of objects into a stranger's genitals and paid- for degradation (wearing girls school uniform) is equal to working in a high street store like Ann Summers??

Fucking hell. You really have no argument at all.

@MostTacticalNameChange I presume that women who work in sex phone lines or in Ann Summers are also prostitutes then, if all services relating to sex are to be seen as such?

Surely the small.part about NOT HAVING SEX with the clients means that it isn't prostitution?

I had the benefit of working in a fairly safe, supervised environment though; and when I wanted to walk away I did, with no pressure whatsoever

I’m really glad that was your story.

But it’s not the norm. And sadly, it perpetuities the myth that “sex work” is just like any other job.

If there are two women...one is you, with your experience and one is Martha, who is a heroine addict being sold by a fucking crazy pimp, unable to claim benefits because she has no address, totally isolated from her family for reasons that would curdle your blood...whose story do people need to hear the most? As humans, who should we be trying to protect?

I honestly don’t want to ignore your loved experience, but for every one of you there are dozens of Marthas.

You cant support prostitution without using arguments that can be used to support selling a kidney.

@justasking111 Absolutely. That's primarily why you can charge so much. To guarantee discretion. If I was a client, no way would I see a cheap Domme. They aren't being paid enough to keep their traps shut. Yet it isn't in the paper often about these men obtaining the services of Dommes. Because they are paid a fortune to be discreet and don't want to lose their client base.

SirChing of course they are prostitutes! Pay for sexual services is prostitution. Domination is a sexual service in that you are doing what the punter tells you to do.

I agree with the original post providing the prostitute is not being abused or trafficked. I have a couple of friends in the industry. One is a former GP. She loves it. (And it pays more !)

Surely the high powered men being dominated must fear being recognised. With hidden cameras and facial recognition technology it could get into the wrong hands and be used to blackmail for money or leverage someone . I do wonder when I read a report of someone being let off by the judiciary for what I consider a slam dunk case of rape/assault against a woman.