To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

I feel the same way inebriati. If you speak to anyone in the kink community they tell you that the sub is always the one with the most control anyway.
Suddenly that all changes when it's a man paying a woman to sexually service him?
Doesn't make sense.

I'm still boggled by claims that a powerful man dressed up as the most shameful thing he can think of - a schoolgirl, a female - is empowering the woman he pays to humiliate him.

The idea that women benefit from this is a bigger sub fantasy than being locked in a wardrobe and spanked.

Exactly langberg. Imagine asking a woman if she's been trafficked. How many of these women are going to be honest in that situation even if they were asked.
I sincerely doubt any man would ask because it would ruin the fantasy.

Utter scum. They are not using a “service” but a human being, not placed on this earth for their convenience.

In my view, men who use prostitutes are rapists.

Prostitution fuels the pig nature of men.
I don’t judge prostitutes. I judge the men who use them.

I suspect you might have a different view and you certainly wont be announcing your childs choice of career to everyone

Of course! there's alot of hypocrisy on this thread. People saying its no big deal and how lucrative dom work is etc..

I'll bet my mortgage that if one of their kids started doing it, they'd have a sudden change of heart.....its all very well when its someone else's kid isn't it?!

To the OP.
when your son/daughter comes to you and says they are going to be a sex worker remember that in your words

provided you are sure the person you are having sex with is not being trafficked, then you are really just two consenting adults having sex. Yes there is money exchanged, but nobody is forcing the sex worker to do this job

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I just feel there is far too much judgement and hate towards people who are, in reality, just doing something that has been done since time began. And I see no wrong in it.

I suspect you might have a different view and you certainly wont be announcing your childs choice of career to everyone.

The problem with men 'using' prostitutes is that they don't ask the woman if she's actually there if her own free will.
There are men who claim they do and in their narrative the women always claim to be enthusiastic.
I don't think they are free to give a truthful opinion in that situation, there is a power imbalance. Men don't like to hear that, it makes them angry. I think interferes with their nice guy self image.

The problem with men 'using' prostitutes is that they don't ask the woman if she's actually there if her own free will.

And even if they did (which they wouldn't as they close their minds to it in order to get their rocks off), she's likely to lie out of fear of the consequences of telling the truth. All part of the 'girlfriend experience', innit?

A woman who is forced to have sex for money in order to keep a roof over her head, feed her family, support a drug habit cannot consent.
A woman who is forced to have sex for money by someone else ie pimp, sex trafficking, cannot give consent.
The problem with men 'using' prostitutes is that they don't ask the woman if she's actually there if her own free will.
In my opinion the men who buy the use of women's bodies are repulsive.
And it is that bad because the demand for women's bodies means more women are forced into prostitution. The men who do this are financially contributing to an industry that harms women.

They were either forced into it by life circumstances so totally shitty that most of us couldn’t begin to imagine them

I agree. That was my experience too working in that field. I find it absolutely appalling that people on this thread are closing their eyes and ears to this on the basis that someone's cousin's neighbour's niece once did escort work and apparently enjoyed it and retired at age 30.
That is NOT the norm and one person does not cancel out the millions of women who are coerced, abused and tortured in this vile industry

Prostitutes are revolting

Your attitude is revolting.

Men who use prostitutes are revolting rapists though.

So instead you worked for the NHS where you said you felt exploited, underpaid, worked long hours and had arsehole patients? Gotcha. Sounds like a good career choice then.

Really don’t wish to derail any further but you seem to have quite the bug up your arse.

No obviously it was NOT a good career choice. I will stand by my assertion that it was no better a career choice than that of the ONE dominatrix I knew.

You seem to want some weird narrative that just didn’t exist so I will give what you want to hear instead and lots of women of my age will back this up.
I was never treated appallingly as a junior.
I never worked over 72hrs non stop with less than 12hrs break until my next shift not seeing my own bed for several days at a time.
I was never sexually harassed by superiors, colleagues or patients.
I was never spat on by patients.
I never ever had violent patients. ICE anyone?
I never had patients, colleagues or superiors who treated me rudely just because I was a woman.
I was never subject to blood splatter.
I never had to insert instruments into people’s arses to fish stuff out.
I was never subject to piss, shit or any other bodily fluids.

So, I really should be shocked and appalled at a dominatrix who may potentially be subject to some of the above because that’s not something that ever happens to professionals. Gotcha right back at ya.

Just maybe by the time you realise ‘fuck that shit’ you also realise there is a really low probability of the bank manager putting your large mortgage on hold for several years while you work out what you want to do and go back to Uni because at that point you are not qualified for anything else that will enable you to pay said mortgage. Then life gets better in that your years of putting up with utter shit pay off in that you are now earning great money and your position and seniority enable required flexibility and you are not subjected to some of the previous shit but yet much remains, however it is now topped off by being told you have to get a lot more out of your Dept with a LOT less to do it with as govnt continually rip the guts out of health services, plus add in a shed load more paperwork and the fact that everyone is a wannabe litigant not to mention has a degree from Dr Google and what’s not to love. Then you are finally in a position to jump ship, retire or die. But at least you are not a dominatrix so silver lining right there!

Also for those talking about judges etc not doing this due to facial recognition, mobile phones, not being able to pay for a property with money from such a line of work. Completely correct today, however my example is 30 years old. No such thing as facial recognition back then, no one would have known what you were talking about if you said mobile phone as they didn’t exist, computers were not in the workplace or home. Sure, a dominatrix could have taken a happy snap with the old fashion camera’s we had back then and raced it down to the newspaper office. But that was why they got big money. The part for the actual service itself would have been a fraction of the payment, the majority was hush money and to make it worth their while not to expose the person and their freaky fetishes. Also back then no banking, tax or government systems were linked. There were no computer systems to do so, well here at any rate. That all only came into being after I had started working as back then people could work and claim the dole and the only way they were caught out was if paper pusher in the dole office actually caught said person working, it was all paper and stamp based back then. People did indeed pay for stuff with cash or a bank note done on a type writer which replaced cash and people accepted (specific to that bank branch only and different to bank cheque’s we have now all traced in an electronic system).

To get back on track. I completely disagree that prostitution is a valid choice for men that does not involve exploitation of other men or women. I think there may be a tiny grey area with some forms of domination but it’s dependent on set up the individual has and the boundaries they have. In general though, I see prostitution in the same way I see overseas surrogacy, exploitative.

Russellbrandshair, if you want to derail any further with dissection of my own life, I suggest you start another thread. Call it HoppingPavlova’s brilliant career and write whatever narrative you want. If it will make you happy and enable you to tick some personal satisfaction box I’ll just come in occasionally and smile and nod.

I’ve worked in a mental health role in U.K. prisons. I can say with absolute certainty that every single woman I worked with was a prostitute inasmuch as they had received sex for cash. Not one of these women had made a conscious choice or decision to live that way. They were either forced into it by life circumstances so totally shitty that most of us couldn’t begin to imagine them (eg a woman slightly brain damaged at birth whose own dad screwed her and whored her out because she was illiterate but had big tits so ‘it’s all she was good for’) or through poverty or addiction. I have yet to meet one woman who wants that same income steam for their daughter or younger relation.

YABU OP.

OP you are humiliating yourself, it’s so cringey to watch. Prostituted women are not doing it ‘by choice’ and your droning on about the word ‘choice’ is making yourself look really bad. No one owes you ‘a debate’ or ‘educating’ as you demanded a PP provide for you, paying to rape women is not acceptable ever. Paying for consent is coerced sex. Rape. You are thinking up reasons where it’s ok for some dude to rape women. There are no words harsh enough for that.

We get it; you think that buying the use of a woman's body is not a big deal.
Is it ok to buy a kidney?

Nope.

Maybe it's the case that some prostitutes may provide Kink services. But that not all women who provide Kink services are prostitutes.

Some (very few).pole dancers may be prostitutes. That doesn't make all prostitutes poll dancers!

There is so much false equivalency here, and I am fairly sure that trying to lump.all.women who have ever provided any sexual service into the category of "prostitute", makes some people feel better. It doesn't make it true though.

How anyone can be a prostitute when they refuse to stimulate a penis to orgasm is absolutely beyond me.

We get it; you think that buying the use of a woman's body is not a big deal.
Is it ok to buy a kidney?

As a supporter/apologist for prostitution I would say "no" to this. I think it's a rather different transaction.

A hand job is still a hand job, whether it’s done by a prostitution in a car park or by a domme wearing a leather glove

I don't mean to be rude but did you read what I wrote? NONE of the Dommes I know even give hand jobs. They don't NEED to. That isn't what they are being paid for. If men want that, they can go to a prostitute.

You can think it's bad for women as a class etc, disgusting, all that I will accept.

But the fact that the vast majority of Dommes DON'T use their body to make a man ejaculate, means they aren't prostitutes. They are neither providing oral, or wanking the man off, or allowing him to insert his penis into her body.

So, I must be really thick here, but which bit of NOT letting men do that makes her a prostitute.

If some prostitutes want to provide Kink services too that's up to them, and it doesn't surprise me one bit that they would think "wanking a man off in a leather glove" was the norm. But it really isn't. Certainly.not amongst the ones I know. They would be horrified at your assertions. Like I said, they will never need an STI check not will they even get repetitive strain from wanking men off. Because they don't do it.

That some YOU know obviously do, doesn't make it the norm. I know NO Domme who would ever directly stimulate a penis to orgasm. Bleurgh!

A hand job is still a hand job, whether it’s done by a prostitution in a car park or by a domme wearing a leather glove. You can try and justify it anyway you like but it’s still a man buying an orgasm from a woman, who probably wouldn’t touch him with someone else’s barge pole if he wasn’t paying 🤷‍♀️

The subby men are the most controlling of all punters, in my experience. They come with elaborate fantasies that they want you to act out perfectly - do so much as call them ‘sissy’ when they specified they wanted ‘worm’ and their true narcissistic self comes angrily tumbling out. They think that the more they pay, the more bespoke their experience should be. They are the ones in control, same as every other John.
The domme is just a character they wrote for their own subby sex play.

You can act like kink prostitution is somehow better than vanilla prostitution all you like, but it’s all abhorrent, and it’s all bad for women as a class (and bad for relationships between the sexes too).

*Women DON'T do that for him

I missed the meno which said I couldnt post or dare to have an opinion

You didn’t give your opinion about prostituted women though. You just said “what about...”.

What do you think about women who men pay to rape?

@Hihothedairyo Absolutely I would call her a sex worker. But not a prostitute as she isn't letting a man's penis use her mouth, hands or other orifice to ejaculate into.

He might be so turned on that he cums anyway, or he may masturbate himself, but the woman do that for him.

The Domme is selling the means to turn the man on. A prostitute is accepting the result of that into her body. That's the huge difference.

I know some prostitutes like to equate the two as being the same, but it really isn't. A Dominatrix will never have to go for an STI check, keeps condoms handy, or worry about pregnancy. Being on her period won't affect her ability to work. Why? Because she isn't selling sex!

@SmileEachDay sooo sorry I bothered you by posting on here .
I missed the meno which said I couldnt post or dare to have an opinion.