To think the use of prostitutes just isn't that big a deal?

I am sure there may be some women who do willing enter the sex industry but I have no idea how you can be sure they are willing.

Agreed. 56sweeneytoddsrazor

I suspect a lot of women who have entered into it will be naïve. It will be seen as a short cut to big bucks. And with the promise that they will not have to do anything they don't want to do;so they will feel like they will have some sort of control. You can see how it spirals.

Maybe. I imagine the women your acquaintance was talking about were more likely to be Romanian than Romani Travellers. Only because I haven’t heard of much trafficking of traveller girls, but I could be completely wrong about that.

Yes waterlego Google says that. Yes he did mention them in a rather derogatry manner their service was very poor, often the girl advertised was nowhere like the one in the adverts.

Possibly due to the use of trafficked girls maybe?.

Romani and Romanians are two completely separate groups which just have similar names. The former can be found in almost all European countries, but they are an ethnic group originating from Northern India.

Thanks @justaboy, it's a very interesting account.

Not Romanians so much as Romanian gypsies- the distinction is relevant.

And if they go back to their community, they often don't have financial independence as they're women.

CheshireChat Yes "Roms" that was a contraction of Romainians.

Please do remember that all i was doing was passing on that conversation with a woman who was active in that , what do you want to call it and her as its very easy to use the wrong word!

The community is also highly misogynistic so let's not pretend they have lots of options.

If thats Romainia then yes it seems thats the reason their here making as much as they can to get away from the men over there.

I'll leave out the obvious bit there!

Justaboy by 'Rome' she meant gypsies/ Romani/ travelers depending your take, the women aren't educated and taken out of school very young. The community is also highly misogynistic so let's not pretend they have lots of options.

@stompythedinasaur
"I also just don't buy into the idea that it's ok for men to pay money to use a woman's body to cum in. I don't imagine that people for think women are people rather than objects would do that."

This is exactly right!

I said ‘benefit of the doubt’ for this exact reason - don’t get defensive, just be aware that it’s poor form to use the word ‘oriental’ in relation to people. Oriental rug, possibly. Oriental studies, maybe. Oriental prostitute, no.

Whopps ! are "relying on universal credit" soz!.

That is so depressing and bleak in so, so many ways justaboy

Yes MostTacticalNameChange I think it is and its very bad in society as a whole that the poor women who are drug users aren't supported better than what they are, which seems in practice to be non-existant.

As to abused women that as well. I do know of a couple of single mums frortunaly they have well paid jobs and have no problems supporting themselves, but that outlook if you can't get a job and have children to support and are lying on pension credit does seem very bleak too:(

A lot of Oriental

Benefit of the doubt and all that JustaBoy but this is an offensive statement. We don’t use the word ‘oriental’ to refer to people any more

Well a quick google seems that some do, some don't. I see the SOAS uni are in need so a title or name chage I suppose East Asia will suffice for the counties intended?.

OnlyTheTitOfTheLangBerg Nyes well I'll see if i can crouch that in some legal disclaimer script if i should write that again!

He did buy her a very nice engagement ring £1800 was what she said it cost seems they just "clicked" aftter the first meeting. She like others was a single mum of one trying to make ends meet.

@NearlyGranny I do not claim that all women are somehow deep down prostitutes! Yes, i do believe that everyone, (man or woman) generally has a price point (not necessarily a monetary price point), where they might be tempted or consider doing something they would not normally do. Be that sex or anything else. That does not make everyone prostitutes, just human.

Note i have always said 'tempted', many i am sure would not go through with it for any amount of money.

However, if you've got huge financial debts or living in poverty like i'm sure many vulnerable people are, can you not relate to how someone may see prostitution as their only real option?

And in that sense, I see the people who claim that prostitution is a free 'choice' as ridiculous.

I feel like your trying to find the offense in my comment when i'm actually trying to make a point about 'choice' being a false concept in this scenario.

Perhaps the original comment was a little clumsily put across but i hope this clarifies my actual position.

and he bought her round one night

What a very apposite typo.

It's supply and demand. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't a wanted service.

Well duh. "Men believe they're entitled to get their dicks wet by any means necessary" is hardly a hold-the-front-page newsflash. Doesn't mean it's right for them to rent women's bodies in order to do it.

It wouldn't exist if it wasn't a wanted service.

Of course it’s wanted. A proportion of men have always wanted to abuse women. If they can pay to do it, it legitimises their abuse so they can delude themselves it’s a ‘service’.

None of this means it’s a good thing.

@Hihothedairyo
If you criminalise it from both sides then you are making it almost impossible for a sex worker who is beat up, abused or robbed by a client, to report it. How are they ever going to be safe if they can't even go to the police when they need them?

This is an excellent point and one I hadn't considered.

I would say by the same token the type of men they will accounted and the kinds of places they will have to frequent to gain business may also be more dangerous if it is a criminal offense to go to a prostitute.

It's supply and demand. It wouldn't exist if it wasn't a wanted service.

People I know who have done it love it

I'm still boggled by claims that a powerful man dressed up as the most shameful thing he can think of - a schoolgirl, a female - is empowering the woman he pays to humiliate him

Its definitely not "empowering" and anyone who thinks that is deluded

A lot of Oriental

Benefit of the doubt and all that JustaBoy but this is an offensive statement. We don’t use the word ‘oriental’ to refer to people any more.

That is so depressing and bleak in so, so many ways justaboy

FWIW a business acquainance of mine uses "Escorts" as he calls them!.

One of the women he saw he's now getting married to!, and he bought her round one night it was an interesting conversation as to what her "job" as she called it was like being a service provider or SP..

In breif it breaks down to several groups theres the poor souls who are streetwalkers a lot are drug addicts risking a lot to get their next fix she said that no one seems to want to help them to get them weaned off their addiction. There are among them quite a few abused women who are stuck in a poverty trap and this seems to be the only way they can make money to support their children, some are really desperate.

Others are women who mainly work through agencies, but there is trafficking of some sort or the other going on a lot of the time.

Some, are "indies" independant women who organise their own dealings websites, advertising, and choose their cleints she it seemed was one of the latter.

She also said that most all of the women these days were forigners maiinly Romainian who made up the bulk of SP's Most all were here to make money to give themselves a better life back home so they could buy a flat of their own or start their own business there! A lot were single mums where trhe father had pissed off and their mum was looking after their child or childern.

Seems that a woman working here on the game can make as much money in a year as she could in about a lifetime over there!

A lot of Oriental, mainly Thai and Chinese were her also mainly working in massage parlors which are on the rise. A lot of women are working in London mainly Romimain but a lot of Russians are here too with the baltic states in evidence they would stay for a while make money and go home sometimes the money they made would go on education or college here in the UK.

Very few women we're english or british these seemed to be in the minority!.

As to her customers she said that most of them were fine once you weeded out the arsehole time wasters they liked chatting the girl make an appointment then not turn up! She built up a group of regulars who would see her when she was in town she toured the UK quite a bit.

What may seem a surprise was that not that many of her clients were married the bulk were young single men who had the view that they wanted sex and it was more effective to pay her for an hour, get what they wanted and then leave, it often costing less than taking a girl out for the evening in the hope of some sex afterwards!

Most of the men she had were as she put it respectful and treated her well she did admit to enjoying herself with a lot of them but she did say there were inirltay a lot of absolute cunts around who would try to rip her off and try bareback sex without a condom some would try to take them off whilst intercourse was in progress!

She did say that she soon came to know who would and would not behave she also said the the actual sex was the easy part it was the dealing with the customers that could be a real head fuck some of the time. She did say that of the married men she saw most were in their 50's some younger and still wanted to be with their wives etc but the sex had dried up and they wanted to DTD with a woman but didnt want to start affairs. She also said that all of the time was proteced sex with a condom but some girls would offer this for extra money and some men would pay extra for it but in the main among her customers they tended to shun women who offerd this in order not to get STI's

Thats it as best as i remember, errors and omissions excepted of that eveing the wine had been flowing freely!

This is a escorts website and forum where the lives of the working girl are laid out with the trials and tribulations that go with it. It is belived that most all are english women on there. A lot of "Roms" as she called them had a bit of diffcuilty talking english and she though that few coud read and write english

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and here

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It's called the Nordic model and appears to work in other countries.
The women are decriminalised and given support in order to leave the sex industry.

@LadyGnome
I don’t agree with prostitution but in terms of what a prostitute does with her money that is her choice. I don’t think criminalising prostitutes is right, it’s the punters and the pimps that I would target.

I see a lot of ppl using this argument, but I am not sure how it is supposed to work. It really is just an excuse to penalised one gender and not the other.
How is someone supposed to be a prostitute but no one is allowed to be a customer? It makes no sense and would just make it more dangerous.
You need to ban it from both sides.